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		<title>By: Tomorrow&#8217;s bed bug seminar in New York (Tuesday 2/5/2008)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomorrow&#8217;s bed bug seminar in New York (Tuesday 2/5/2008)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Word from attendees of the first event in Washington Heights was that the presentation was pretty ba... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Word from attendees of the first event in Washington Heights was that the presentation was pretty ba&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: crawledon</title>
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		<dc:creator>crawledon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, my exhausted self doesn't remember those details anymore.  They did say to call 311 if the landlord wasn't exterminating, but during the "IPM" (Integrated Pest Management)  portion of the seminar they talked about what the tenant should do.  They did not at all say to go and buy bombs.  They also handed out a folder with the information that was mostly read to us.  Sadly, I left my chair for a few moments and when I got back, the folder was gone.  Hopefully it will help someone.  If I had the info they handed out, I could answer your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, my exhausted self doesn&#8217;t remember those details anymore.  They did say to call 311 if the landlord wasn&#8217;t exterminating, but during the &#8220;IPM&#8221; (Integrated Pest Management)  portion of the seminar they talked about what the tenant should do.  They did not at all say to go and buy bombs.  They also handed out a folder with the information that was mostly read to us.  Sadly, I left my chair for a few moments and when I got back, the folder was gone.  Hopefully it will help someone.  If I had the info they handed out, I could answer your question.</p>
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		<title>By: mangycur</title>
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		<dc:creator>mangycur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Everybody,

I just called to reserve a spot for the March 12 seminar, and the woman I spoke with said the information is going to be the same in every one of these seminars.  I just wanted to mention that to those of us who were considering attending more than one.  In the meantime, who should we call to encourage the presenters to do better?  Should we start a petition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everybody,</p>
<p>I just called to reserve a spot for the March 12 seminar, and the woman I spoke with said the information is going to be the same in every one of these seminars.  I just wanted to mention that to those of us who were considering attending more than one.  In the meantime, who should we call to encourage the presenters to do better?  Should we start a petition?</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2008/01/29/the-first-bed-bug-seminar-hit-new-york-city-last-night/#comment-8309</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, hopelessnomo--these are great questions.  I hope those who were present on Monday can answer them for us.

My concern with decluttering and cleaning before getting the place inspected by a professional is that people "clean away" signs of bed bugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, hopelessnomo&#8211;these are great questions.  I hope those who were present on Monday can answer them for us.</p>
<p>My concern with decluttering and cleaning before getting the place inspected by a professional is that people &#8220;clean away&#8221; signs of bed bugs.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q for those who attended-

Do you know if they unambiguously advised tenants to notify their landlords of an infestation?  Or did they tell them to clean first?  And did they address the issue of who is responsible at all?

Having people delay in any way before notifying the landlord is bad.  That's when people go to the hardware store and buy bombs to try first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q for those who attended-</p>
<p>Do you know if they unambiguously advised tenants to notify their landlords of an infestation?  Or did they tell them to clean first?  And did they address the issue of who is responsible at all?</p>
<p>Having people delay in any way before notifying the landlord is bad.  That&#8217;s when people go to the hardware store and buy bombs to try first.</p>
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		<title>By: crawledon</title>
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		<dc:creator>crawledon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got off the phone with someone from HPD who was also present at the seminar.  Our 30 minute conversation will prompt perhaps one change.  Hopefully, the speaker will now say that bed bugs can live for up to 18 months, not one year.  As for having experts talk, apparantly they need to go through some interview process.  I suggested that some experts would be willing to do that, but really, it seems that HPD isn't interested in this idea.  She felt the speaker was good, did her research and effectively conveyed an introductory seminar.   When I told her that one question in particular was very badly answered at the end, she asked me why I didn't speak up.  Frankly, I tried, but it had become an out of control situation, people were all talking and it was getting emotional.  So, it seems, that anyone can and should speak up, even if you need to stand and be loud.  Let's make them hear us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got off the phone with someone from HPD who was also present at the seminar.  Our 30 minute conversation will prompt perhaps one change.  Hopefully, the speaker will now say that bed bugs can live for up to 18 months, not one year.  As for having experts talk, apparantly they need to go through some interview process.  I suggested that some experts would be willing to do that, but really, it seems that HPD isn&#8217;t interested in this idea.  She felt the speaker was good, did her research and effectively conveyed an introductory seminar.   When I told her that one question in particular was very badly answered at the end, she asked me why I didn&#8217;t speak up.  Frankly, I tried, but it had become an out of control situation, people were all talking and it was getting emotional.  So, it seems, that anyone can and should speak up, even if you need to stand and be loud.  Let&#8217;s make them hear us!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crawledon tells us a flyer was circulated at the event on Monday, advertising another seminar:

Thursday, Feb. 28 
2511 Frederick Douglass Boulevard. 
Corner of 134th St. 
RSVP 212 863-8830

Let's hope the material evolves before then.  The next one is Tuesday the 5th in Astoria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crawledon tells us a flyer was circulated at the event on Monday, advertising another seminar:</p>
<p>Thursday, Feb. 28<br />
2511 Frederick Douglass Boulevard.<br />
Corner of 134th St.<br />
RSVP 212 863-8830</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope the material evolves before then.  The next one is Tuesday the 5th in Astoria.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/nyc-seminar-128" rel="nofollow"&gt;Lou Sorkin (loubugs) asked me to move his response here from the forums:&lt;/a&gt;

Lou says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I attended the seminar last night. 

About 2 weeks (Nov 16th) ago the seminar was announced and that morning I was in my office when our communications department called and said that Ch. 2 wanted to do an interview about bed bugs in reference to the upcoming seminars. I hadn't heard anything about any seminars until that minute. All of you may have seen the Ch.2 news report: there was more to it, but it's always watered down, but at least the importance of nymphs was reported. I drove to the Eastern branch meetings of NPMA after the interview. 

That Friday I spoke with HPD and offered to help out but was told that I couldn't present anything because I'm not in HPD. Anyway, we met last Friday and I spoke to them about bed bugs, showed a powerpoint presentation, short movies, and emphasized what is usually left out of bed bug presentations: the importance of the 5 nymphal instars, the first of these being so small and normally overlooked. At least nymphs made it into the presentations.

The presentation probably had already been prepared, but I was never given a preview. I think it's one that's been used before at other smaller meetings. they're used to smaller meetings that normally take place in a classroom. Yes, Elise spoke and Calle translated simultaneously into Spanish. They are both instructors at HPD. Anyway, it's a start by educating people. And Crawledon basically summed it up in previous posts on the seminar. 

The reporter from Ch.4, btw, wasn't interested in facts, either, although I did speak with her after it was all over while she was finishing up an interview with a woman. (I didn't introduce myself). I don't think she attended the presentation, only spoke to people and waiting outside. She had some adults taped onto paper or pictures of them on paper and wondered if I had an apple seed because you know that's about how big bed bugs are and she needed it for comparison.... Some vendors took their opportunity to give out info after the meeting, but I expected that. 

I might get to Queens next week.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/nyc-seminar-128" rel="nofollow">Lou Sorkin (loubugs) asked me to move his response here from the forums:</a></p>
<p>Lou says:</p>
<blockquote><p>I attended the seminar last night. </p>
<p>About 2 weeks (Nov 16th) ago the seminar was announced and that morning I was in my office when our communications department called and said that Ch. 2 wanted to do an interview about bed bugs in reference to the upcoming seminars. I hadn&#8217;t heard anything about any seminars until that minute. All of you may have seen the Ch.2 news report: there was more to it, but it&#8217;s always watered down, but at least the importance of nymphs was reported. I drove to the Eastern branch meetings of NPMA after the interview. </p>
<p>That Friday I spoke with HPD and offered to help out but was told that I couldn&#8217;t present anything because I&#8217;m not in HPD. Anyway, we met last Friday and I spoke to them about bed bugs, showed a powerpoint presentation, short movies, and emphasized what is usually left out of bed bug presentations: the importance of the 5 nymphal instars, the first of these being so small and normally overlooked. At least nymphs made it into the presentations.</p>
<p>The presentation probably had already been prepared, but I was never given a preview. I think it&#8217;s one that&#8217;s been used before at other smaller meetings. they&#8217;re used to smaller meetings that normally take place in a classroom. Yes, Elise spoke and Calle translated simultaneously into Spanish. They are both instructors at HPD. Anyway, it&#8217;s a start by educating people. And Crawledon basically summed it up in previous posts on the seminar. </p>
<p>The reporter from Ch.4, btw, wasn&#8217;t interested in facts, either, although I did speak with her after it was all over while she was finishing up an interview with a woman. (I didn&#8217;t introduce myself). I don&#8217;t think she attended the presentation, only spoke to people and waiting outside. She had some adults taped onto paper or pictures of them on paper and wondered if I had an apple seed because you know that&#8217;s about how big bed bugs are and she needed it for comparison&#8230;. Some vendors took their opportunity to give out info after the meeting, but I expected that. </p>
<p>I might get to Queens next week.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's also a question of who gets behind an effort.

Remember when we talked about the Cincinnati closed-door meeting and the coroner? 

In other areas as well.  Consider what Stephen Doggett and his team have accomplished.  

Someone has to lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also a question of who gets behind an effort.</p>
<p>Remember when we talked about the Cincinnati closed-door meeting and the coroner? </p>
<p>In other areas as well.  Consider what Stephen Doggett and his team have accomplished.  </p>
<p>Someone has to lead.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any city in the US should have a pest specialist, it would be NYC.  I believe they call in experts to advise on and deal with the rat problem.

There's no money, hopelessnomo, because it is not considered a serious problem.  Though I think its taken &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; seriously than a year ago, it is still not considered a big deal.  

Perhaps if the local officials could see the connection between infested hotels and businesses, and infested homes--if they understood that as long as peoples' homes are infested, our businesses will be too (and vice versa)--perhaps they will realize the economic impact of bed bugs on local business and tourism in particular.

Or they could read the &lt;a href="http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/nov2007/sb2007118_006807.htm?chan=smallbiz_smallbiz+index+page_top+small+business+stories" rel="nofollow"&gt;Business Week article.&lt;/a&gt;

I know I am preaching to the converted.  
I think you're right that we should point the city to what other cities are doing.
But I also think they're being ostriches with their heads in the sand.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any city in the US should have a pest specialist, it would be NYC.  I believe they call in experts to advise on and deal with the rat problem.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no money, hopelessnomo, because it is not considered a serious problem.  Though I think its taken <em>more</em> seriously than a year ago, it is still not considered a big deal.  </p>
<p>Perhaps if the local officials could see the connection between infested hotels and businesses, and infested homes&#8211;if they understood that as long as peoples&#8217; homes are infested, our businesses will be too (and vice versa)&#8211;perhaps they will realize the economic impact of bed bugs on local business and tourism in particular.</p>
<p>Or they could read the <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/nov2007/sb2007118_006807.htm?chan=smallbiz_smallbiz+index+page_top+small+business+stories" rel="nofollow">Business Week article.</a></p>
<p>I know I am preaching to the converted.<br />
I think you&#8217;re right that we should point the city to what other cities are doing.<br />
But I also think they&#8217;re being ostriches with their heads in the sand.</p>
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