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	<title>Comments on: PCTOnline on its bed bug seminar last week</title>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/08/14/pctonline-on-its-bed-bug-seminar-last-week/#comment-5426</link>
		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often see Ficam come up in these pesticide "discussions." 
But it usually gets dropped off. 
So if Australia uses it what's so good about FICAM? 
If there is good then why don't we have it yet?
What
s it's drawbacks? How can we speed up getting it if it will work well?
Will someone tell me why we can't get new pesticides as well as those now under restriction--or am I confused with all the names. Is Ficam actually something we used once but no longer can?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often see Ficam come up in these pesticide &#8220;discussions.&#8221;<br />
But it usually gets dropped off.<br />
So if Australia uses it what&#8217;s so good about FICAM?<br />
If there is good then why don&#8217;t we have it yet?<br />
What<br />
s it&#8217;s drawbacks? How can we speed up getting it if it will work well?<br />
Will someone tell me why we can&#8217;t get new pesticides as well as those now under restriction&#8211;or am I confused with all the names. Is Ficam actually something we used once but no longer can?</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.  Blogged it.  Thanks Nomo.  (Let's move the discussion of this there, unless it relates to the above issues of pesticides...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.  Blogged it.  Thanks Nomo.  (Let&#8217;s move the discussion of this there, unless it relates to the above issues of pesticides&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I omitted a line above that indicated that the molecular forensic studies are in cooperation with Virginia Tech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I omitted a line above that indicated that the molecular forensic studies are in cooperation with Virginia Tech.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas A and M researchers: chickens and bed bugs? &#124; bedbugger</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/08/14/pctonline-on-its-bed-bug-seminar-last-week/#comment-5413</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas A and M researchers: chickens and bed bugs? &#124; bedbugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Hopelessnomo, who mentioned this in another thread&#8217;s comments, it appears that Texas A and M researchers have an interesting theory about how at least some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Hopelessnomo, who mentioned this in another thread&#8217;s comments, it appears that Texas A and M researchers have an interesting theory about how at least some [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/08/14/pctonline-on-its-bed-bug-seminar-last-week/#comment-5412</link>
		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nobugs, this is a bit off topic, but I can't possibly revisit the immigration thread, and this is well, new!  It's the first time I've seen this, from &lt;a href="http://urbanentomology.tamu.edu/bedbugs/bedbugs.cfm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Texas A&#038;M&lt;/a&gt;: a) a new theory of the spread, and b) criminal forensics!?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Collaboration between Texas A&#038;M Center for Urban &#038; Structural Entomology and the University of Arkansas Insect Genetics laboratory is revealing important clues concerning the reasons for the current resurgence of bed bugs around the world and here in the United States. [...] 

One scenario that appears to have merit concerns geographic epicenters where bed bugs radiate from. In our preliminary investigations we have found significant populations occurring in poultry facilities in Arkansas and Texas, and we suspect that resistant populations of bed bugs have slowly increased in numbers in facilities such as these, and have subsequently been transported from poultry workers to other areas where they have subsequently spread. Population genetic studies of both mitochondrial and nuclear DNA reveal no genetic bottlenecks, yet significant variation with no apparent geographic structure with 19 distinct mtDNA haplotypes from only 50 populations from throughout the United States (see below). &lt;strong&gt;For this reason, we believe that populations never truly died out in the United States, but were forced to alternate their hosts.&lt;/strong&gt; Ongoing research on host identification from blood meals of bed bugs is currently being investigated to support this hypothesis.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Emphasis added!  :)

More on the genetics research &lt;a href="http://comp.uark.edu/~aszalan/bed_bugs/Population_genetics.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and on forensics &lt;a href="http://comp.uark.edu/~aszalan/bed_bugs/Forensics.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Still thinking about this.  Random thought: bedbugs being useful, when did that happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nobugs, this is a bit off topic, but I can&#8217;t possibly revisit the immigration thread, and this is well, new!  It&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve seen this, from <a href="http://urbanentomology.tamu.edu/bedbugs/bedbugs.cfm" rel="nofollow">Texas A&#038;M</a>: a) a new theory of the spread, and b) criminal forensics!?</p>
<blockquote><p>Collaboration between Texas A&#038;M Center for Urban &#038; Structural Entomology and the University of Arkansas Insect Genetics laboratory is revealing important clues concerning the reasons for the current resurgence of bed bugs around the world and here in the United States. [...] </p>
<p>One scenario that appears to have merit concerns geographic epicenters where bed bugs radiate from. In our preliminary investigations we have found significant populations occurring in poultry facilities in Arkansas and Texas, and we suspect that resistant populations of bed bugs have slowly increased in numbers in facilities such as these, and have subsequently been transported from poultry workers to other areas where they have subsequently spread. Population genetic studies of both mitochondrial and nuclear DNA reveal no genetic bottlenecks, yet significant variation with no apparent geographic structure with 19 distinct mtDNA haplotypes from only 50 populations from throughout the United States (see below). <strong>For this reason, we believe that populations never truly died out in the United States, but were forced to alternate their hosts.</strong> Ongoing research on host identification from blood meals of bed bugs is currently being investigated to support this hypothesis.</p></blockquote>
<p>Emphasis added!  <img src='http://bedbugger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>More on the genetics research <a href="http://comp.uark.edu/~aszalan/bed_bugs/Population_genetics.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and on forensics <a href="http://comp.uark.edu/~aszalan/bed_bugs/Forensics.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Still thinking about this.  Random thought: bedbugs being useful, when did that happen?</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomo,

I agree--if public health community is in charge, we will suffer long.

On the other hand, since we all rmember life without bed bugs, there is hope that "quality of life" will be enough motivation.

I fear that if the pols get bed bugs in their campaign juggernauts, we'll hear nothing.

The journalists, however, will talk.  The tipping point started to approach last fall, and continues to build.  When enough loud, "important," or influential people get bed bugs, we just have to see change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomo,</p>
<p>I agree&#8211;if public health community is in charge, we will suffer long.</p>
<p>On the other hand, since we all rmember life without bed bugs, there is hope that &#8220;quality of life&#8221; will be enough motivation.</p>
<p>I fear that if the pols get bed bugs in their campaign juggernauts, we&#8217;ll hear nothing.</p>
<p>The journalists, however, will talk.  The tipping point started to approach last fall, and continues to build.  When enough loud, &#8220;important,&#8221; or influential people get bed bugs, we just have to see change.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/08/14/pctonline-on-its-bed-bug-seminar-last-week/#comment-5410</link>
		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Winston will enlighten us.

I'm thinking (hoping) that there is a way for U.S. cities and other authorities to tackle the bedbug problem in a rational way, to set up task forces and such, &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; relying on the medical entomology/public health community which will in all likelihood take no initiative and be of no help.

So, will civil rights of the poor or the economic impact on property owners be catalysts?   

I am so impatient and sometimes I indulge little fantasies, you know, like will bedbugs make an appearance during the upcoming political season?  All those journalists in buses, planes and motels!  I'm waiting for &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt; to happen.  Anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Winston will enlighten us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking (hoping) that there is a way for U.S. cities and other authorities to tackle the bedbug problem in a rational way, to set up task forces and such, <em>without</em> relying on the medical entomology/public health community which will in all likelihood take no initiative and be of no help.</p>
<p>So, will civil rights of the poor or the economic impact on property owners be catalysts?   </p>
<p>I am so impatient and sometimes I indulge little fantasies, you know, like will bedbugs make an appearance during the upcoming political season?  All those journalists in buses, planes and motels!  I&#8217;m waiting for <em>something</em> to happen.  Anything.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Winston and Hopelessnomo.

I had ficam in mind too.  Winston, would you be willing to tell us more in layman's terms about Ficam and Empire--why they were outlawed, and how they work?

Nomo, 

I agree re: caution with pesticides.

I do hope that (soon) the powers that be will recognize the seriousness of bed bugs absent an "official public health threat".  Or, perhaps. that it will be deemed a "health threat" even though not life-endangering except in cases of extreme allergies (at least one of which, I note, has been a Bedbugger reader).  When "important people" and their spouses and children begin to be affected, they may recognize the toll taken via stress, lack of sleep, etc.  (not to mention lost time and money, the lack of which, for many, can also have serious health consequences).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Winston and Hopelessnomo.</p>
<p>I had ficam in mind too.  Winston, would you be willing to tell us more in layman&#8217;s terms about Ficam and Empire&#8211;why they were outlawed, and how they work?</p>
<p>Nomo, </p>
<p>I agree re: caution with pesticides.</p>
<p>I do hope that (soon) the powers that be will recognize the seriousness of bed bugs absent an &#8220;official public health threat&#8221;.  Or, perhaps. that it will be deemed a &#8220;health threat&#8221; even though not life-endangering except in cases of extreme allergies (at least one of which, I note, has been a Bedbugger reader).  When &#8220;important people&#8221; and their spouses and children begin to be affected, they may recognize the toll taken via stress, lack of sleep, etc.  (not to mention lost time and money, the lack of which, for many, can also have serious health consequences).</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But have suspended registrations ever been rolled back?  I know what the environmental lobby's position is going to be.  Use DE.  Vacuum... 

Absent a public health threat, or Robert Kennedy himself getting bedbugs, how is this going to happen?

Federal restrictions would be essential.  I am afraid of people using pesticides illegally, like they do now, shipping them out of state, not reading the label, etc.  I am more afraid of this than of bedbugs, and that is saying a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But have suspended registrations ever been rolled back?  I know what the environmental lobby&#8217;s position is going to be.  Use DE.  Vacuum&#8230; </p>
<p>Absent a public health threat, or Robert Kennedy himself getting bedbugs, how is this going to happen?</p>
<p>Federal restrictions would be essential.  I am afraid of people using pesticides illegally, like they do now, shipping them out of state, not reading the label, etc.  I am more afraid of this than of bedbugs, and that is saying a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston O. Buggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston O. Buggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winston was not referring to DDT. Even in its day DDT at the end it was no longer
the recommended material and had been replaced by lindane and malathion,
also not viable alternatives for today. What Winston was referring to are the recently withdrawn products such as ficam  a carbamate and Empire an OP. What I'm saying is that these materials which are still available and work should be returned to service under strict guidelines. Such as making them federally restricted for use only by trained personnel. In addition mattresses  should not be an approved site of application and a reentry interval should apply if indicated or a political concession.
Also additions of sites to existing labels such as moving trucks, storage warehouses
and other sites that we now know must be treated for the little cri... I mean blood suckers.  But no Winston was not talking about DDT whose use could have saved millions from Malaria but alas not from our little bed bugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winston was not referring to DDT. Even in its day DDT at the end it was no longer<br />
the recommended material and had been replaced by lindane and malathion,<br />
also not viable alternatives for today. What Winston was referring to are the recently withdrawn products such as ficam  a carbamate and Empire an OP. What I&#8217;m saying is that these materials which are still available and work should be returned to service under strict guidelines. Such as making them federally restricted for use only by trained personnel. In addition mattresses  should not be an approved site of application and a reentry interval should apply if indicated or a political concession.<br />
Also additions of sites to existing labels such as moving trucks, storage warehouses<br />
and other sites that we now know must be treated for the little cri&#8230; I mean blood suckers.  But no Winston was not talking about DDT whose use could have saved millions from Malaria but alas not from our little bed bugs.</p>
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