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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/06/22/nyctenants/comment-page-1/#comment-11999</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you call 311 and the housing inspector finds bed bugs, they will likely order the landlord to get rid of them.

Hint: do not aggressively clean or treat.  HPD inspectors apparently need to see visual evidence in your home, and may not accept a bug in a plastic tub.  

Read the FAQS and ask advice in the forums: I would not say storing items for 18 months would be my best advice.  You can probably treat furniture and leave electronics exposed.  A PCO will hopefully be ordered and have good advice for you on whether you can keep furniture.  

I am not a lawyer-- if you&#039;re talking about a lawsuit or housing court, you&#039;d need to get legal advice on that.

Document everything and remember--do not clean away evidence before getting an inspector in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you call 311 and the housing inspector finds bed bugs, they will likely order the landlord to get rid of them.</p>
<p>Hint: do not aggressively clean or treat.  HPD inspectors apparently need to see visual evidence in your home, and may not accept a bug in a plastic tub.  </p>
<p>Read the FAQS and ask advice in the forums: I would not say storing items for 18 months would be my best advice.  You can probably treat furniture and leave electronics exposed.  A PCO will hopefully be ordered and have good advice for you on whether you can keep furniture.  </p>
<p>I am not a lawyer&#8211; if you&#8217;re talking about a lawsuit or housing court, you&#8217;d need to get legal advice on that.</p>
<p>Document everything and remember&#8211;do not clean away evidence before getting an inspector in.</p>
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		<title>By: tsakas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tsakas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a bug craling in my bed last week and bites on my lower back.  The following day I starting to inspect the mattress and found one running away.  I caught it and threw it in a plastic container.  i called the management company and they told me to go buy spray.  I notified them in writing and advised I was moving out (only have 2 months left on lease and not paying rent).  I have been living here for almost 2 years and recently started to see them in my bed.  I notified the building super and he said the apartment next door was being renovated (demolished walls, floors and ceilings).  I saw from the street the windows opened and an old mattress laying against the wall.  I took pictures to document it.  The managment company has not responded to my certified letter explaying where the bugs came from.  I threw out all my furniture, bed etc.  I am going to wrap my electronics in plastic and store them for the 18 month (any ideas on safely using them?).  Do you think i can go after the landlord for reimburcemtn on the furniture and security deposit?  I am going to call 311 (NYC Housing) so they can document is also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a bug craling in my bed last week and bites on my lower back.  The following day I starting to inspect the mattress and found one running away.  I caught it and threw it in a plastic container.  i called the management company and they told me to go buy spray.  I notified them in writing and advised I was moving out (only have 2 months left on lease and not paying rent).  I have been living here for almost 2 years and recently started to see them in my bed.  I notified the building super and he said the apartment next door was being renovated (demolished walls, floors and ceilings).  I saw from the street the windows opened and an old mattress laying against the wall.  I took pictures to document it.  The managment company has not responded to my certified letter explaying where the bugs came from.  I threw out all my furniture, bed etc.  I am going to wrap my electronics in plastic and store them for the 18 month (any ideas on safely using them?).  Do you think i can go after the landlord for reimburcemtn on the furniture and security deposit?  I am going to call 311 (NYC Housing) so they can document is also.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/06/22/nyctenants/comment-page-1/#comment-11273</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI lorraine,

I&#039;m afraid no one here can give you legal advice.  

You should try calling Met Council on Housing, a fabulous NYC organization that gives tenants advice.  They know the law, and will know what your next step should be.  

Met Council: 
http://www.metcouncil.net/contact.htm

It sounds like you called 311 and had an HPD inspector come out.  Did they find bed bugs?  It may be possible for you to call HPD and follow up.  (311 would probably be the first step in that case.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI lorraine,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid no one here can give you legal advice.  </p>
<p>You should try calling Met Council on Housing, a fabulous NYC organization that gives tenants advice.  They know the law, and will know what your next step should be.  </p>
<p>Met Council:<br />
<a href="http://www.metcouncil.net/contact.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.metcouncil.net/contact.htm</a></p>
<p>It sounds like you called 311 and had an HPD inspector come out.  Did they find bed bugs?  It may be possible for you to call HPD and follow up.  (311 would probably be the first step in that case.)</p>
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		<title>By: lorraine barry</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/06/22/nyctenants/comment-page-1/#comment-11268</link>
		<dc:creator>lorraine barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the July it was reported to me by the home health aid that my mother-in- law who lives at 2015 foster ave brooklyn had bedbugs, I contacted the building agent since I could not get into contact with the super for the building. I then called the building agent who assured me that someone would get in touch with us by phone. After getting no reply all day,I called the next day and the agent said that she tried to contact the building administration office and did not get any reply. she then gave us the direct phone number to the building administration office, we made several calls and left messages on their answering machine and get no reply. Finally, we contacted the city, and investigator, they did their investigation and nothing was heard of the report.  I also called elderly care and spoke to one Margareta who advised, that would have to recieve consent from the building agent before we can do anything.  It has been three weeks and nothing has been done. My mother-in-law lives alone and has twenty four hour service. Could someone please advise me know what our next step should be this problem is increasing. Concern relative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the July it was reported to me by the home health aid that my mother-in- law who lives at 2015 foster ave brooklyn had bedbugs, I contacted the building agent since I could not get into contact with the super for the building. I then called the building agent who assured me that someone would get in touch with us by phone. After getting no reply all day,I called the next day and the agent said that she tried to contact the building administration office and did not get any reply. she then gave us the direct phone number to the building administration office, we made several calls and left messages on their answering machine and get no reply. Finally, we contacted the city, and investigator, they did their investigation and nothing was heard of the report.  I also called elderly care and spoke to one Margareta who advised, that would have to recieve consent from the building agent before we can do anything.  It has been three weeks and nothing has been done. My mother-in-law lives alone and has twenty four hour service. Could someone please advise me know what our next step should be this problem is increasing. Concern relative.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, thank you once again for your generous help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, thank you once again for your generous help!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I am saying is, you cannot be sure.  They may have come more than 2 weeks ago.

Unfortunately, killing bed bugs you see is not an effective treatment program.  You do need serious, aggressive help.  Pesticides should be applied by an experienced, licensed professional who knows bed bugs, and should be applied safely.  If you have a baby, or an infirm person in the home, you should discuss your options with the PCO.  But do get treatment.  You are likely seeing a VERY small proportion of your bed bugs.  Seeing one or two is a lot.

If you have more questions, please come to the forums, where you will get feedback from many more people: http://bedbugger.com/forum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I am saying is, you cannot be sure.  They may have come more than 2 weeks ago.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, killing bed bugs you see is not an effective treatment program.  You do need serious, aggressive help.  Pesticides should be applied by an experienced, licensed professional who knows bed bugs, and should be applied safely.  If you have a baby, or an infirm person in the home, you should discuss your options with the PCO.  But do get treatment.  You are likely seeing a VERY small proportion of your bed bugs.  Seeing one or two is a lot.</p>
<p>If you have more questions, please come to the forums, where you will get feedback from many more people: <a href="http://bedbugger.com/forum" rel="nofollow">http://bedbugger.com/forum</a></p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for the reply!

I think it is the case that they have fled the other apartment. I think it all started when the landlord started renovating an apartment two floors down. We started seeing some cockroaches and other little bugs in our apartment (which was previously very rare). Then they apparently treated the bedbug infestation in both of the two floors beneath us, but oddly not the ground floor. And now they seem to have run up into ours.

Thanks so much for your help. I do have one other question though, how dangerous is the insecticide stuff they spray? I&#039;m about as nervous letting that stuff into my home as I am about having bedbugs in it. Could I not combat them just as well by being vigilant, clean and handy with a rolled up newspaper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for the reply!</p>
<p>I think it is the case that they have fled the other apartment. I think it all started when the landlord started renovating an apartment two floors down. We started seeing some cockroaches and other little bugs in our apartment (which was previously very rare). Then they apparently treated the bedbug infestation in both of the two floors beneath us, but oddly not the ground floor. And now they seem to have run up into ours.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your help. I do have one other question though, how dangerous is the insecticide stuff they spray? I&#8217;m about as nervous letting that stuff into my home as I am about having bedbugs in it. Could I not combat them just as well by being vigilant, clean and handy with a rolled up newspaper?</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin, 

Unfortunately, the law is not specific about these things.  Your experience is a common one.

I think the best thing you can do now is strongly encourage the landlord to have every unit adjacent to any of the units with known bed bugs inspected by a professional who knows bed bugs (by adjacent I mean above, below, or on any side).    Again, the law is not specific on this.  It&#039;s just standard practice in the industry.  If the landlord wants the whole building to get bed bugs and never get rid of them, s/he should keep dealing only with the units where people NOTICE bed bugs and complain about them.

Also, FYI-- if you have found bed bugs and eggs, it&#039;s possible you had them BEFORE two weeks ago.  It is hard to find bed bugs in the early stages, and you may have had them for some time (if you do not react to bites, or did not initially). Another possibility is that they fled the other apt. after treatment, and if this is true, it may mean the pest control company is not handling this well.  (Actually, if all adjacent units to the ones infested were not carefully inspected by pros after the original unit was found to be infested, it&#039;s a SURE sign the PCO and landlord as a team are not handling this well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin, </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the law is not specific about these things.  Your experience is a common one.</p>
<p>I think the best thing you can do now is strongly encourage the landlord to have every unit adjacent to any of the units with known bed bugs inspected by a professional who knows bed bugs (by adjacent I mean above, below, or on any side).    Again, the law is not specific on this.  It&#8217;s just standard practice in the industry.  If the landlord wants the whole building to get bed bugs and never get rid of them, s/he should keep dealing only with the units where people NOTICE bed bugs and complain about them.</p>
<p>Also, FYI&#8211; if you have found bed bugs and eggs, it&#8217;s possible you had them BEFORE two weeks ago.  It is hard to find bed bugs in the early stages, and you may have had them for some time (if you do not react to bites, or did not initially). Another possibility is that they fled the other apt. after treatment, and if this is true, it may mean the pest control company is not handling this well.  (Actually, if all adjacent units to the ones infested were not carefully inspected by pros after the original unit was found to be infested, it&#8217;s a SURE sign the PCO and landlord as a team are not handling this well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/06/22/nyctenants/comment-page-1/#comment-10931</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the beginnings of a bedbug infestation (yes, I&#039;ve confirmed it, I&#039;ve found live bedbugs, as well as eggs) in our apartment.

I&#039;ve just been told by a neighbor that the landlord treated a bedbug infestation in the apartment below us about two weeks ago. This is the first I&#039;ve heard of it however.

My question is: isn&#039;t the Landlord compelled to inform all the tenants in the building when a bedbug infestation is found? And if they do not can they then be considered negligent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the beginnings of a bedbug infestation (yes, I&#8217;ve confirmed it, I&#8217;ve found live bedbugs, as well as eggs) in our apartment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just been told by a neighbor that the landlord treated a bedbug infestation in the apartment below us about two weeks ago. This is the first I&#8217;ve heard of it however.</p>
<p>My question is: isn&#8217;t the Landlord compelled to inform all the tenants in the building when a bedbug infestation is found? And if they do not can they then be considered negligent?</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really could not advise you, sorry.  Met Tenants Association gives good advice to NYC tenants.  I&#039;d ask them.  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://bedbugger.com/links/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;links&lt;/a&gt; under &quot;landlords and tenants&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really could not advise you, sorry.  Met Tenants Association gives good advice to NYC tenants.  I&#8217;d ask them.  See <a href="http://bedbugger.com/links/" rel="nofollow">links</a> under &#8220;landlords and tenants&#8221;.</p>
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