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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/05/22/abc-7-eyewitness-news-edison-nj-infestation/#comment-3695</link>
		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is good to know--thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is good to know&#8211;thank you</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/05/22/abc-7-eyewitness-news-edison-nj-infestation/#comment-3688</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willow,
No-- on the blog, you're commenting, not "posting".  You can't edit your own comments, only an administrator can.
You can let me know if you have a serious concern, but typos just have to slide.  Sorry :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willow,<br />
No&#8211; on the blog, you&#8217;re commenting, not &#8220;posting&#8221;.  You can&#8217;t edit your own comments, only an administrator can.<br />
You can let me know if you have a serious concern, but typos just have to slide.  Sorry :-p</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/05/22/abc-7-eyewitness-news-edison-nj-infestation/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Jess, it's been a while. Just turning in for the night and saw your post: (I don't have a way to edit a blog post that I know of.) Forums--Yes! Blog posts--no. Don't have or know how to
night
willow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Jess, it&#8217;s been a while. Just turning in for the night and saw your post: (I don&#8217;t have a way to edit a blog post that I know of.) Forums&#8211;Yes! Blog posts&#8211;no. Don&#8217;t have or know how to<br />
night<br />
willow.</p>
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		<title>By: jessinchicago</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/05/22/abc-7-eyewitness-news-edison-nj-infestation/#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator>jessinchicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elaine-

Welcome to the blog.  I encourage you to visit our FAQs, which will provide you with some really handy information that might help you understand your situation a little better.  After you read the FAQs, you might want to check out our forums.  You can get there by clicking the blue bug on the upper right side of your screen.  You can chat with people who are battling bedbugs, or who have battled and won.  There are lots of interesting ideas on the forums, and it's important to remember that none of us are experts, but we all want to help.

The best thing you can do is hire a competent PCO (exterminator) to help assess your situation and point you in the right direction.  There is an FAQ written by an experienced PCO that details how to go about choosing your PCO in our FAQ section.  I hope you read it.

One last thing.  Remember that this is a public blog, accessible by anyone at any time.  If you'd like to remove your phone number, you can do so by editing your comment, or I would be happy to do so for you if you'd prefer.  It's up to you, but it might be best if you kept your private information private, for your own safety.

Again, welcome. 

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elaine-</p>
<p>Welcome to the blog.  I encourage you to visit our FAQs, which will provide you with some really handy information that might help you understand your situation a little better.  After you read the FAQs, you might want to check out our forums.  You can get there by clicking the blue bug on the upper right side of your screen.  You can chat with people who are battling bedbugs, or who have battled and won.  There are lots of interesting ideas on the forums, and it&#8217;s important to remember that none of us are experts, but we all want to help.</p>
<p>The best thing you can do is hire a competent PCO (exterminator) to help assess your situation and point you in the right direction.  There is an FAQ written by an experienced PCO that details how to go about choosing your PCO in our FAQ section.  I hope you read it.</p>
<p>One last thing.  Remember that this is a public blog, accessible by anyone at any time.  If you&#8217;d like to remove your phone number, you can do so by editing your comment, or I would be happy to do so for you if you&#8217;d prefer.  It&#8217;s up to you, but it might be best if you kept your private information private, for your own safety.</p>
<p>Again, welcome. </p>
<p> <img src='http://bedbugger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: parakeets</title>
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		<dc:creator>parakeets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you describe sure sounds like bedbug scat.  Air-conditioning and dehumidfiers have nothing to do with killing bedbugs.  Kleen Free only kills on contact, so unless you see them, you won't be killing them.   I don't know what "5 bug companies" means, but you could have 500 hundred bug companies treat and it woudln't do anything if they don't know about bedbugs.  When I first got bedbugs more than a year ago, we called several pest control companies.  Many of them were not knowledgeable about bedbugs, saying things that were patently false. I knew more about bedbugs than they did. You have to find a PCO who specializes in bedbugs and who will spend time, not just come and spray the baseboards as if you had fleas or roaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you describe sure sounds like bedbug scat.  Air-conditioning and dehumidfiers have nothing to do with killing bedbugs.  Kleen Free only kills on contact, so unless you see them, you won&#8217;t be killing them.   I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;5 bug companies&#8221; means, but you could have 500 hundred bug companies treat and it woudln&#8217;t do anything if they don&#8217;t know about bedbugs.  When I first got bedbugs more than a year ago, we called several pest control companies.  Many of them were not knowledgeable about bedbugs, saying things that were patently false. I knew more about bedbugs than they did. You have to find a PCO who specializes in bedbugs and who will spend time, not just come and spray the baseboards as if you had fleas or roaches.</p>
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		<title>By: ElAINE bUTTS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElAINE bUTTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oUR HOUSE and us are being stung at night by something we can not see. We have had 5 bug companies poisoning our house and we are still finding black specks about the size of a quarter of a grain of pepper. We are air conditioning, dehumidifiers going  I am using Natural Genesis Kleen Free and we are still being stung any ideas. Help it is about to drive me crazy it is biting my cat and dog , my husband and me.  I went to visit my momn  in a nursing home and hospital and Bingo It"s infected our house.  Please help if any ideas write me or call me --

**Elaine, I deleted your phone number.  If people want to contact you, they can leave a comment here, and you can both Private Message (PM) each other in the forums if you have registered for the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oUR HOUSE and us are being stung at night by something we can not see. We have had 5 bug companies poisoning our house and we are still finding black specks about the size of a quarter of a grain of pepper. We are air conditioning, dehumidifiers going  I am using Natural Genesis Kleen Free and we are still being stung any ideas. Help it is about to drive me crazy it is biting my cat and dog , my husband and me.  I went to visit my momn  in a nursing home and hospital and Bingo It&#8221;s infected our house.  Please help if any ideas write me or call me &#8211;</p>
<p>**Elaine, I deleted your phone number.  If people want to contact you, they can leave a comment here, and you can both Private Message (PM) each other in the forums if you have registered for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps 
James, did you compliment my "fact pattern"?  Not sure exactly what it is, but I think I like it.   Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps<br />
James, did you compliment my &#8220;fact pattern&#8221;?  Not sure exactly what it is, but I think I like it.   Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 23:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James--

You have to read between the lines.  Yes--your analysis of this legal situation holds up.  But what I was trying to show is that "you" got the bed bugs in Hawai'i and gave them to Mildred.  

Or, did you?

(Cue 60's TV "surprise" music: duh doh dah!)

Actually, you ride the subway every day to work.  There are infested benches.  The girlfriend had bed bugs, but got them in a different place than you did.  You could have gotten them from the subway, or a bar, or your therapist's office.  But there's no way your lawyer could find out those places are all infested.  Some people's PCOs can't even find the bugs biting in their bedrooms.

My point is that any time during any day, any normal day, when you take a taxi or go to a restaurant or ride a subway, you COULD pick up bed bugs.  If you were not allergic, you would not know.  How can you be considered negligent, and what did you neglect to do?  

Your analysis supposes that Mildred and her lawyer can figure out these possibilities for other sources.  What I've seen is bed bug victims like Mildred assuming their own guilt, and it was later cast in doubt--after they paid the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James&#8211;</p>
<p>You have to read between the lines.  Yes&#8211;your analysis of this legal situation holds up.  But what I was trying to show is that &#8220;you&#8221; got the bed bugs in Hawai&#8217;i and gave them to Mildred.  </p>
<p>Or, did you?</p>
<p>(Cue 60&#8217;s TV &#8220;surprise&#8221; music: duh doh dah!)</p>
<p>Actually, you ride the subway every day to work.  There are infested benches.  The girlfriend had bed bugs, but got them in a different place than you did.  You could have gotten them from the subway, or a bar, or your therapist&#8217;s office.  But there&#8217;s no way your lawyer could find out those places are all infested.  Some people&#8217;s PCOs can&#8217;t even find the bugs biting in their bedrooms.</p>
<p>My point is that any time during any day, any normal day, when you take a taxi or go to a restaurant or ride a subway, you COULD pick up bed bugs.  If you were not allergic, you would not know.  How can you be considered negligent, and what did you neglect to do?  </p>
<p>Your analysis supposes that Mildred and her lawyer can figure out these possibilities for other sources.  What I&#8217;ve seen is bed bug victims like Mildred assuming their own guilt, and it was later cast in doubt&#8211;after they paid the price.</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 22:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James if that ever happend I'd be all for it becase it would reduce the spread of those little .... (you can all fill in your own curse-word-symbols on the line provided :_____________  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James if that ever happend I&#8217;d be all for it becase it would reduce the spread of those little &#8230;. (you can all fill in your own curse-word-symbols on the line provided :_____________  <img src='http://bedbugger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: James Buggles</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/05/22/abc-7-eyewitness-news-edison-nj-infestation/#comment-3541</link>
		<dc:creator>James Buggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 21:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent fact pattern. Also, Hopelessnomo is correct. I should have said "legal truth," not "truth" as in absolute.

Now, assuming all the above events, let's suppose another neigbor who is also allergic sues Mildred. Mildred's lawyer will suggest as a defense that she is not the cause. As a result, her lawyer will depose her neighbors. Upon doing so, everyone will learn about the trip to Hawaii and the girlfriend. The lawsuit will expand with more parties impleaded -- including that hotel in Hawaii. Maybe that airline too. Now you've got a deep pocket or two. The judge could very well toss out the case because the causation chain is too tenuous, but you never know.

One additional note. You say the guy who went to Hawaii is not negligent. Are you sure? Maybe the case will reach an appellate court that establishes a new duty to take precautions upon returning from a trip. Stranger things have happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent fact pattern. Also, Hopelessnomo is correct. I should have said &#8220;legal truth,&#8221; not &#8220;truth&#8221; as in absolute.</p>
<p>Now, assuming all the above events, let&#8217;s suppose another neigbor who is also allergic sues Mildred. Mildred&#8217;s lawyer will suggest as a defense that she is not the cause. As a result, her lawyer will depose her neighbors. Upon doing so, everyone will learn about the trip to Hawaii and the girlfriend. The lawsuit will expand with more parties impleaded &#8212; including that hotel in Hawaii. Maybe that airline too. Now you&#8217;ve got a deep pocket or two. The judge could very well toss out the case because the causation chain is too tenuous, but you never know.</p>
<p>One additional note. You say the guy who went to Hawaii is not negligent. Are you sure? Maybe the case will reach an appellate court that establishes a new duty to take precautions upon returning from a trip. Stranger things have happened.</p>
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