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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 14:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Doug, thanks for your comments.  I'm actually sorry to hear that Goddard is a player in the bedbug research community.  I thought he was a figure with a marginal sphere of influence.  How one conceives of a problem determines the possible solutions.  I don't want someone like Goddard framing the questions; we'll never get answers.  He is useless to us.  "Not a big deal" may be a small assuaging lie but a lie it is.  (He is by no means the least attractive bedbug scientist out there.  Richard Fagerlund takes that distinction, but at least Fagerlund can only make unhappy those unlucky enough to write to him for advice.)

Anyway, enough about Goddard.

So, who is doing the most interesting bedbug research, since you attend these conferences and read the papers?  Is it Eric Siljander?  Foraging ecology and pheromones?  I was interested in this &lt;a href="http://www1.umn.edu/umnnews/Feature_Stories/Bloodthirsty_travelers3A_Bedbugs_are_biting_again.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt;  with Stephen Kells, University of Minnesota: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;While most bedbugs cluster (in groups ranging from tens to hundreds and sometimes thousands) in hidden crannies surrounding a bed, a handful of wanderers can often be found in more distant locations, such as an air vent or other remote nook.

Why, Kells wondered, do these outlying bugs stray far from their food source? Perhaps they are seeking a place of safety, dispersing to find a new host, or leaving an infestation that has grown too large. In any case, the behavior has direct implications for pest control--especially if the "outliers" are laying eggs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is interesting stuff.  Who &lt;em&gt;else&lt;/em&gt; is looking into this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Doug, thanks for your comments.  I&#8217;m actually sorry to hear that Goddard is a player in the bedbug research community.  I thought he was a figure with a marginal sphere of influence.  How one conceives of a problem determines the possible solutions.  I don&#8217;t want someone like Goddard framing the questions; we&#8217;ll never get answers.  He is useless to us.  &#8220;Not a big deal&#8221; may be a small assuaging lie but a lie it is.  (He is by no means the least attractive bedbug scientist out there.  Richard Fagerlund takes that distinction, but at least Fagerlund can only make unhappy those unlucky enough to write to him for advice.)</p>
<p>Anyway, enough about Goddard.</p>
<p>So, who is doing the most interesting bedbug research, since you attend these conferences and read the papers?  Is it Eric Siljander?  Foraging ecology and pheromones?  I was interested in this <a href="http://www1.umn.edu/umnnews/Feature_Stories/Bloodthirsty_travelers3A_Bedbugs_are_biting_again.html" rel="nofollow">interview</a>  with Stephen Kells, University of Minnesota: </p>
<blockquote><p>While most bedbugs cluster (in groups ranging from tens to hundreds and sometimes thousands) in hidden crannies surrounding a bed, a handful of wanderers can often be found in more distant locations, such as an air vent or other remote nook.</p>
<p>Why, Kells wondered, do these outlying bugs stray far from their food source? Perhaps they are seeking a place of safety, dispersing to find a new host, or leaving an infestation that has grown too large. In any case, the behavior has direct implications for pest control&#8211;especially if the &#8220;outliers&#8221; are laying eggs. </p></blockquote>
<p>This is interesting stuff.  Who <em>else</em> is looking into this?</p>
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		<title>By: Bugalina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bugalina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 16:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come a "super malaria mosquito" hasn't happened ???  Apparently, from everything I read...the lifting of the ban on DDT has been HIGHLY successful in killing off the malaria carrying mosquitos...since the reintroduction of DDT ,  deaths in Africa have been reduced by the hundreds of thousands.....I am skeptical about motives....In the United States making money always takes precedence over the general wellfare of the people...This is how a capitalistic society works....it's profit driven...there isn't much profit in DDT...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come a &#8220;super malaria mosquito&#8221; hasn&#8217;t happened ???  Apparently, from everything I read&#8230;the lifting of the ban on DDT has been HIGHLY successful in killing off the malaria carrying mosquitos&#8230;since the reintroduction of DDT ,  deaths in Africa have been reduced by the hundreds of thousands&#8230;..I am skeptical about motives&#8230;.In the United States making money always takes precedence over the general wellfare of the people&#8230;This is how a capitalistic society works&#8230;.it&#8217;s profit driven&#8230;there isn&#8217;t much profit in DDT&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Summers MS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Summers MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 08:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S
Thank you for your thought provoking post. The realities of this epidemic are harsh. Hope is hard to envision with a bug that has a Freddy Kroger like ability to come back again and again.

If our scientists were to develop proof that bed bugs transmit disease, we would suddenly have government funding and the attention of the media. Until then we have an uphill battle of making the case that bed bugs are a public health problem.

Right now our efforts might be best focused on getting adequate funding to the university researchers that are working on the next magic bullet. 

Perhaps the next effective approach will be a form of Advantage or Frontline for humans, but I think you are correct that it will take a multi faceted effort from many different levels of our society before we see any meaningful change.

Doug Summers MS</description>
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Thank you for your thought provoking post. The realities of this epidemic are harsh. Hope is hard to envision with a bug that has a Freddy Kroger like ability to come back again and again.</p>
<p>If our scientists were to develop proof that bed bugs transmit disease, we would suddenly have government funding and the attention of the media. Until then we have an uphill battle of making the case that bed bugs are a public health problem.</p>
<p>Right now our efforts might be best focused on getting adequate funding to the university researchers that are working on the next magic bullet. </p>
<p>Perhaps the next effective approach will be a form of Advantage or Frontline for humans, but I think you are correct that it will take a multi faceted effort from many different levels of our society before we see any meaningful change.</p>
<p>Doug Summers MS</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 01:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very welcome here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very welcome here!</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey pissed I've recently "heard" that here in SF that IS the law--but does it happen????    NO!!!!!!!!!!  Anywhere you go the basic theme in USA seems to point to YOU the consumer as the fault of the bug! YOU are the culprit and YOU are culpable--THAT'S been MY unfortunate experience.

there are some phone #s listed higher up in the thread ... care to call???
 
I'm really so very sorry if this happened to you, but showing cause and proof is really very difficult. Especially, in a city or area where the bugs are raging through the neighborhoods this is very hard to prove. In the past 2 months I've watched mattresses go out  onto the sidewalk on Ã¢â‚¬Â¦  like a block by block basis. 
There are now tons of "free books" and "free mattresses" up on Nob hill eight blocks up from where I live. No sign ... Ã¢â‚¬Å“bug infestedÃ¢â‚¬Â Nada!!!
Yesterday there were five free bags of booksÃ¢â‚¬â€today only one was leftÃ¢â‚¬â€thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s one way how the bug spreads. And I in no way mean to disregard your anger in any way shape or form--you are very welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey pissed I&#8217;ve recently &#8220;heard&#8221; that here in SF that IS the law&#8211;but does it happen????    NO!!!!!!!!!!  Anywhere you go the basic theme in USA seems to point to YOU the consumer as the fault of the bug! YOU are the culprit and YOU are culpable&#8211;THAT&#8217;S been MY unfortunate experience.</p>
<p>there are some phone #s listed higher up in the thread &#8230; care to call???</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really so very sorry if this happened to you, but showing cause and proof is really very difficult. Especially, in a city or area where the bugs are raging through the neighborhoods this is very hard to prove. In the past 2 months I&#8217;ve watched mattresses go out  onto the sidewalk on Ã¢â‚¬Â¦  like a block by block basis.<br />
There are now tons of &#8220;free books&#8221; and &#8220;free mattresses&#8221; up on Nob hill eight blocks up from where I live. No sign &#8230; Ã¢â‚¬Å“bug infestedÃ¢â‚¬Â Nada!!!<br />
Yesterday there were five free bags of booksÃ¢â‚¬â€today only one was leftÃ¢â‚¬â€thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s one way how the bug spreads. And I in no way mean to disregard your anger in any way shape or form&#8211;you are very welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: pissedinastoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>pissedinastoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next step is making it a duty of landlords to tell potential tenants that their buildings are infested. That way people can press charges against bastards who fail to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next step is making it a duty of landlords to tell potential tenants that their buildings are infested. That way people can press charges against bastards who fail to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: jessinchicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessinchicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 01:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Unity for the sake of basic human dignity."  I like that, Willow.  I like it a whole lot.

And Nobugs, it's great to see you.  I just keep repeating "What would Nobugs do?"  I think I'm going to make a WWNBD T-shirt to commemorate this experience.  We miss you but everyone is participating and helping out and I think things are A-ok over here in bedbugger land.  See you again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unity for the sake of basic human dignity.&#8221;  I like that, Willow.  I like it a whole lot.</p>
<p>And Nobugs, it&#8217;s great to see you.  I just keep repeating &#8220;What would Nobugs do?&#8221;  I think I&#8217;m going to make a WWNBD T-shirt to commemorate this experience.  We miss you but everyone is participating and helping out and I think things are A-ok over here in bedbugger land.  See you again soon!</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  can't beleive I said all of that!</description>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/05/03/excerpt-from-article-re-nyc-department-of-ed-policy/#comment-2619</link>
		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now I've read everyone else's comments and I have to piggyback on Bugalina because what Bugalina said made the most sense to me. It is traumatic for all--always--no mater WHAT your financial status is. This is because if, say, 20% of the population can't afford treatments ... these 20% will always unwittingly (or eventually even otherwise) transmit the bug again and again and again. So, although I am poor and feel Ã¢â‚¬Å“virulently angryÃ¢â‚¬Â with the fact that this bug has basically ruined my life, I know that should it come to pass that only middle class and upwards will be able to get rid of the bug (finally after 8, 10, 12, treatmentsÃ¢â‚¬â€which is, about where we stand now) then these people will eventually become more lower class financially because of the excessive costs involved in having to pay for re-extermination procedures over and over again. 
    So then eventually THEY will get the bug again and again--and so on Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ and so will their clients and their upper class friends and it WILL NEVER END... 
    These 13 paragraphs S. brings up and the resolution of them is what will PREVENT an evermore SUPER BUG, BED BUG from constantly evolving along with the pesticides. 

Rotating pesticides is just a temporary (money making) band-aid. It is all we haveÃ¢â‚¬â€and about half of the companies, as far as I can tell, are botching the job anyway. 

This only all the more weakens the Ã¢â‚¬Å“rotating pesticide band aid theoryÃ¢â‚¬Â.  

The likelihood that I will be cited and possibly even evicted because my rug has some white powder stains on itÃ¢â‚¬â€to protect me from a blood sucking, most likely disease carrying and spreading parasitic insect, is not only ludicrous but far worse than anything  Marxist-like. 
We are talking about HUMAN BEINGS not chimps or white rats in a lab! I feel compelled to wash away all of that powder that is keeping those blood sucking
BugsÃ¢â‚¬â€œtemporarily--out of my abode!  But if IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m cited and thrown out into the street because of thatÃ¢â‚¬â€or even threatened of an eviction----I will follow suit file law suitÃ¢â‚¬â€whatever it takes.
Otherwise Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ we might all just as well become Marxists because of this horrible bug.
     I will most definitely, without defiance take a stand on this issue. I hope all other lower economically resourced people will do the same. 
If it comes down to thatÃ¢â‚¬â€I will have no qualms getting in front of a camera.
YÃ¢â‚¬â„¢all already know I know how to work a crowd!
Unity For the sake of basic human dignityÃ¢â‚¬â€that should be the theme, I say, in fighting this bug whatever discipline or financial status you happen to have. Remember the fall after the Roaring TwentiesÃ¢â‚¬â€this bug will be the cause of thatÃ¢â‚¬â€and sooner than most of us realize...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now I&#8217;ve read everyone else&#8217;s comments and I have to piggyback on Bugalina because what Bugalina said made the most sense to me. It is traumatic for all&#8211;always&#8211;no mater WHAT your financial status is. This is because if, say, 20% of the population can&#8217;t afford treatments &#8230; these 20% will always unwittingly (or eventually even otherwise) transmit the bug again and again and again. So, although I am poor and feel Ã¢â‚¬Å“virulently angryÃ¢â‚¬Â with the fact that this bug has basically ruined my life, I know that should it come to pass that only middle class and upwards will be able to get rid of the bug (finally after 8, 10, 12, treatmentsÃ¢â‚¬â€which is, about where we stand now) then these people will eventually become more lower class financially because of the excessive costs involved in having to pay for re-extermination procedures over and over again.<br />
    So then eventually THEY will get the bug again and again&#8211;and so on Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ and so will their clients and their upper class friends and it WILL NEVER END&#8230;<br />
    These 13 paragraphs S. brings up and the resolution of them is what will PREVENT an evermore SUPER BUG, BED BUG from constantly evolving along with the pesticides. </p>
<p>Rotating pesticides is just a temporary (money making) band-aid. It is all we haveÃ¢â‚¬â€and about half of the companies, as far as I can tell, are botching the job anyway. </p>
<p>This only all the more weakens the Ã¢â‚¬Å“rotating pesticide band aid theoryÃ¢â‚¬Â.  </p>
<p>The likelihood that I will be cited and possibly even evicted because my rug has some white powder stains on itÃ¢â‚¬â€to protect me from a blood sucking, most likely disease carrying and spreading parasitic insect, is not only ludicrous but far worse than anything  Marxist-like.<br />
We are talking about HUMAN BEINGS not chimps or white rats in a lab! I feel compelled to wash away all of that powder that is keeping those blood sucking<br />
BugsÃ¢â‚¬â€œtemporarily&#8211;out of my abode!  But if IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m cited and thrown out into the street because of thatÃ¢â‚¬â€or even threatened of an eviction&#8212;-I will follow suit file law suitÃ¢â‚¬â€whatever it takes.<br />
Otherwise Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ we might all just as well become Marxists because of this horrible bug.<br />
     I will most definitely, without defiance take a stand on this issue. I hope all other lower economically resourced people will do the same.<br />
If it comes down to thatÃ¢â‚¬â€I will have no qualms getting in front of a camera.<br />
YÃ¢â‚¬â„¢all already know I know how to work a crowd!<br />
Unity For the sake of basic human dignityÃ¢â‚¬â€that should be the theme, I say, in fighting this bug whatever discipline or financial status you happen to have. Remember the fall after the Roaring TwentiesÃ¢â‚¬â€this bug will be the cause of thatÃ¢â‚¬â€and sooner than most of us realize&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 22:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well notifying all parents would mean telling 1/4 of all New Yorkers, #'s guess. But "why o why" does his bill not include any treatment measures for the schools themselves??? All this is for ALL schools infested or nay ... as in pro-active and preventative treatment measures not limited to even yanking out some sort of insecticide(s)?
Informing parents how to treat is great--does he expect every single parent to completely eradicate every single bug from every single child? The article said it spreads easily and fast. Duh???????????????????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well notifying all parents would mean telling 1/4 of all New Yorkers, #&#8217;s guess. But &#8220;why o why&#8221; does his bill not include any treatment measures for the schools themselves??? All this is for ALL schools infested or nay &#8230; as in pro-active and preventative treatment measures not limited to even yanking out some sort of insecticide(s)?<br />
Informing parents how to treat is great&#8211;does he expect every single parent to completely eradicate every single bug from every single child? The article said it spreads easily and fast. Duh???????????????????????????</p>
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