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	<title>Comments on: Apartment Managers attend bed bug conference in Cincinnati</title>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 09:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nomo,
Thanks for your thoughts!  Sorry about the spam filtering glitch.  We check the filter all the time and so when something disappears, we'll get it up asap.  Jess is doing it now (obviously) and S on the forums.
Don't let it put you off of writing lengthy comments or using links--both of which are very welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nomo,<br />
Thanks for your thoughts!  Sorry about the spam filtering glitch.  We check the filter all the time and so when something disappears, we&#8217;ll get it up asap.  Jess is doing it now (obviously) and S on the forums.<br />
Don&#8217;t let it put you off of writing lengthy comments or using links&#8211;both of which are very welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 01:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see this nomo.. Please drop me a note sometime soon and keep me up to speed on your current bed bug situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see this nomo.. Please drop me a note sometime soon and keep me up to speed on your current bed bug situation.</p>
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		<title>By: jessinchicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessinchicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 00:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Willow and Nomo-

The comment went to moderation because of the links.  It wanted me to check for spam, I guess.  It now appears where you originally posted, Nomo, just above your "Uh oh."

Loved the rant, by the way.  I'll comment further later, once I gather my thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Willow and Nomo-</p>
<p>The comment went to moderation because of the links.  It wanted me to check for spam, I guess.  It now appears where you originally posted, Nomo, just above your &#8220;Uh oh.&#8221;</p>
<p>Loved the rant, by the way.  I&#8217;ll comment further later, once I gather my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 00:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I'll defer to Jess and see what she thinks.  Thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll defer to Jess and see what she thinks.  Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/04/26/apartment-managers-attend-bed-bug-conference-in-cincinnati/#comment-2576</link>
		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this sort of a thing happens nemo... now you've got peoples attention whats on your mind nemo LOL  (try to post it again and  change the "." to "dot" and then see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this sort of a thing happens nemo&#8230; now you&#8217;ve got peoples attention whats on your mind nemo LOL  (try to post it again and  change the &#8220;.&#8221; to &#8220;dot&#8221; and then see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh oh.  I think I did something wrong here.  I wrote a comment that is not showing up.  Too long quite probably, but also had links maybe?  Spamming bedbugger!  So sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh.  I think I did something wrong here.  I wrote a comment that is not showing up.  Too long quite probably, but also had links maybe?  Spamming bedbugger!  So sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been thinking about the article about this conference in the middle of my increasing depression and I know why it's bothering me.  Michael Potter, the University of Kentucky urban entomologist--familiar to us from his bedbug interviews and research and also his paper on (link opens PDF) &lt;a href="http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/entfactpdf/ent58.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;invisible itches&lt;/a&gt;--called bedbugs "the perfect storm" and said things like "[o]ur arsenal of effective insecticides to control bed bugs is dangerously depleted."  Strikes me as a fairly heightened tone of concern.  Rightly so, I think, and feel reassured that someone like him is on the case.

And yet, after 6 months of bedbugs, I've finally started to really &lt;em&gt;read&lt;/em&gt; the university fact sheets and advice that is out there.  Yes, I've read a lot of it before, but not with such exhausted impatience.  Advice from the experts obviously and yet, surprisingly, a lot of it is not pretty.  (Yes, I know, hopefully they're all working and too busy to rethink them.)  What I find most confusing is the way they present the idea of IPM.

We are incessantly told that IPM is the answer to bedbug infestations.  Integrated Pest Management, I looked it up to be sure, appears to be an ecologically-aware approach to pest control that uses a variety of methods of treatment with the aim to reduce the use and reliance on pesticides.  What does that mean exactly, for your average bedbug infestation?   Well, according to this Cornell &lt;a href="http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/publications/bed_bugs/files/bed_bug.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;document&lt;/a&gt; (PDF) aptly titled "Bed bugs are back! An IPM answer" it means vacuuming, cleaning, making the bed "an island" and sealing crevices.  OK, so far so good, I think.  Effort and thoroughness plus time:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatever techniques you use to manage the infestation, give them time. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s extremely difficult to penetrate all of the bed bugsÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ hiding places, so even if your IPM approach is working, you may see a few living bed bugs for a week to ten days. After two weeks, if you still see many bed bugs, restart your IPM efforts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait a minute!  A lot of impolite responses come to mind.  'What, are you kidding me?' perhaps the most prominent.  If I still see bugs after two weeks, restart my IPM efforts?  Really, tell me more.  What about the dreaded P word?  Indeed! The document has a small section, almost an afterthought, that is titled "What about pesticides?"  Uh huh, what &lt;em&gt;about&lt;/em&gt; pesticides?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pesticides are another option for killing bed bugs, but as early as 1948 there were reports of bed bugs that were resistant [...]; such resistance complicates efforts to manage populations using pesticides. Luckily, several types of less toxic products for killing bed bugs are now available, and because some of these products work in different ways, bed bugs also wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be able to develop resistance to them as easily. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe it's unfair to pick on this one fact sheet from Cornell which was written in 2003, and I don't even want to touch the DDT question which I omitted from the quote.  But really, pesticides are &lt;em&gt;another&lt;/em&gt; option?  And &lt;em&gt;luckily&lt;/em&gt; less toxic products are now available?   Less toxic and also less effective, surely, no?   If you have any idea of what having bedbugs is like and what trying to kill them is really like, do you not think just maybe this document is piling on insult upon injury upon insult?  What is it that I don't understand about IPM and bedbugs?  Why do I have this throat-constricting feeling that this document thoroughly fails ordinary people like me, the bedbug suffering public, as we look for answers to our bedbug nightmares?  

At least the &lt;a href="http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef636.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;University of Kentucky&lt;/a&gt; has a mildly more compelling view on pesticides:

&lt;blockquote&gt;While the former measures are helpful, insecticides are important for bed bug elimination. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed. 

Rant over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about the article about this conference in the middle of my increasing depression and I know why it&#8217;s bothering me.  Michael Potter, the University of Kentucky urban entomologist&#8211;familiar to us from his bedbug interviews and research and also his paper on (link opens PDF) <a href="http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/entfactpdf/ent58.pdf" rel="nofollow">invisible itches</a>&#8211;called bedbugs &#8220;the perfect storm&#8221; and said things like &#8220;[o]ur arsenal of effective insecticides to control bed bugs is dangerously depleted.&#8221;  Strikes me as a fairly heightened tone of concern.  Rightly so, I think, and feel reassured that someone like him is on the case.</p>
<p>And yet, after 6 months of bedbugs, I&#8217;ve finally started to really <em>read</em> the university fact sheets and advice that is out there.  Yes, I&#8217;ve read a lot of it before, but not with such exhausted impatience.  Advice from the experts obviously and yet, surprisingly, a lot of it is not pretty.  (Yes, I know, hopefully they&#8217;re all working and too busy to rethink them.)  What I find most confusing is the way they present the idea of IPM.</p>
<p>We are incessantly told that IPM is the answer to bedbug infestations.  Integrated Pest Management, I looked it up to be sure, appears to be an ecologically-aware approach to pest control that uses a variety of methods of treatment with the aim to reduce the use and reliance on pesticides.  What does that mean exactly, for your average bedbug infestation?   Well, according to this Cornell <a href="http://www.nysipm.cornell.edu/publications/bed_bugs/files/bed_bug.pdf" rel="nofollow">document</a> (PDF) aptly titled &#8220;Bed bugs are back! An IPM answer&#8221; it means vacuuming, cleaning, making the bed &#8220;an island&#8221; and sealing crevices.  OK, so far so good, I think.  Effort and thoroughness plus time:</p>
<blockquote><p>Whatever techniques you use to manage the infestation, give them time. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s extremely difficult to penetrate all of the bed bugsÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ hiding places, so even if your IPM approach is working, you may see a few living bed bugs for a week to ten days. After two weeks, if you still see many bed bugs, restart your IPM efforts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait a minute!  A lot of impolite responses come to mind.  &#8216;What, are you kidding me?&#8217; perhaps the most prominent.  If I still see bugs after two weeks, restart my IPM efforts?  Really, tell me more.  What about the dreaded P word?  Indeed! The document has a small section, almost an afterthought, that is titled &#8220;What about pesticides?&#8221;  Uh huh, what <em>about</em> pesticides?</p>
<blockquote><p>Pesticides are another option for killing bed bugs, but as early as 1948 there were reports of bed bugs that were resistant [&#8230;]; such resistance complicates efforts to manage populations using pesticides. Luckily, several types of less toxic products for killing bed bugs are now available, and because some of these products work in different ways, bed bugs also wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be able to develop resistance to them as easily. </p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s unfair to pick on this one fact sheet from Cornell which was written in 2003, and I don&#8217;t even want to touch the DDT question which I omitted from the quote.  But really, pesticides are <em>another</em> option?  And <em>luckily</em> less toxic products are now available?   Less toxic and also less effective, surely, no?   If you have any idea of what having bedbugs is like and what trying to kill them is really like, do you not think just maybe this document is piling on insult upon injury upon insult?  What is it that I don&#8217;t understand about IPM and bedbugs?  Why do I have this throat-constricting feeling that this document thoroughly fails ordinary people like me, the bedbug suffering public, as we look for answers to our bedbug nightmares?  </p>
<p>At least the <a href="http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef636.asp" rel="nofollow">University of Kentucky</a> has a mildly more compelling view on pesticides:</p>
<blockquote><p>While the former measures are helpful, insecticides are important for bed bug elimination. </p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed. </p>
<p>Rant over.</p>
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		<title>By: willow-the-wisp</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow-the-wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bedbuger.com is almost spreading as fasdt as the bugs?
Good hard work deserves attention not less</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bedbuger.com is almost spreading as fasdt as the bugs?<br />
Good hard work deserves attention not less</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyers.  In their reasonable interest in protecting landlords from bedbug lawsuits, why not question whether they should pay for treatment at all?  This is stupid overreaching.  If you own property and it is infested, and you force the tenants to pay for their own treatment, well, guess what, it's probably going to remain infested for a long time.  It might even eventually become a slum dwelling, as people who can afford to move out will do so and only those who can't or won't remain.  Two words: property value.  Is this not obvious?  

Wrong direction to take a conversation about landlord/tenant responsibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers.  In their reasonable interest in protecting landlords from bedbug lawsuits, why not question whether they should pay for treatment at all?  This is stupid overreaching.  If you own property and it is infested, and you force the tenants to pay for their own treatment, well, guess what, it&#8217;s probably going to remain infested for a long time.  It might even eventually become a slum dwelling, as people who can afford to move out will do so and only those who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t remain.  Two words: property value.  Is this not obvious?  </p>
<p>Wrong direction to take a conversation about landlord/tenant responsibilities.</p>
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