World exclusive: Bedbuggers experiment with being bitten, on purpose! (Part 3)

by S on April 20, 2007 · 77 comments

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Editor’s note from Nobugsonme: As promised, the much-anticipated third part of S’s and G’s Bitefest 2007. You can click on any of the photos to open the photo on flickr.com, then click “all sizes” to see it at its largest. If you missed part one, it’s here. Part two is here. We promise to keep you posted as these bites develop.

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By 3 pm on the second day, the two bites were fully swelled and majorly itchy.

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Waaaaaay itchier than the “bites” I’ve been feeling for the past two months. This is definitely making me doubt myself, in the weirdest way - was it all a joke? It’s hard to pin down exactly when my “really itchy” bites stopped and my “less itchy” bites began, but it was probably at least two months ago. Were the past two months all “phantom bites?”

I don’t know the answer to this. For example, there was one time back in January when I saw a nymph run across my hand. I looked down because I felt a hot itch on my knuckle, and then I saw the bug. So I’d say that was a “confirmed bite.” That bite itched, for sure, but not like these. It swelled up for about two days, and then it faded to a small pink non-itchy bump on my knuckle.

Perhaps that bug was interrupted halfway through its bite, and that’s why the bite never got huge. Or perhaps different locations on the body elicit different bite responses. Last year, when we first had bedbugs (for about two weeks in April 06) I had bites all up the inside of my arm, in similar locations to these new test bites. And those were just as big and itchy as these. So maybe the inside of your forearm is just a particularly sensitive, reactive location, and your knuckle, not so much.

Either way, these bites are raging. They itch all day and night. There is definitely a difference. I know you guys know. It’s the kind of itch where you want to chew your own arm off.

By 11 am on the third day, I’d say the adult bite is slightly larger.

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But the nymph bite is still far larger than any of my recent “bites.” All the skin around the adult bite is pink, in like a 2-inch circle. They are both swelled like crazy, and they both itch like mad. It makes me wonder, does the bites’ proximity to each other make a difference? I am not about to go back for another Bite Fest, but the new questions I’d love to answer are:

1. Does the length of time the bug takes, make a difference? What if it only feeds for say, 5 or 10 seconds?

2. Does the location on the body make a difference?

3. Does bites’ proximity to each other make a difference?

I know this sounds like a long shot, but the only way I could see that I’m still getting actual, new bites, is if bedbugs (adult or nymph) are biting me for like five seconds, on “tough” parts of my body, and not near each other. I guess they could be biting me for five seconds while I sit on the couch, but I don’t feel like my face and neck are “tougher” than my inner arm.

And still, zero reaction to the cast skin.
I’m continuing to monitor that arm as well as the rest of my body. So far, incidentally, nothing on the rest of my body either.

So my initial conclusion is that while I’m NOT hypersensitive to chitin, I’m also NOT currently being bit by bedbugs. What is my skin doing? I have no freaking idea. But hey. As long as it’s not new bedbugs, I’m fine.

Last night, for the first time in four months, I experienced a brief moment - maybe ten seconds - where I actually accepted that this might be over. I was putting my bag into a ziploc as I came in the door, and I pictured not doing that. The feeling went away, sadly, almost right away! But this feeling rushed over me that for the first time, I actually believed that this might indeed be over.

Baby steps.

These are the marks S has gotten on her skin for the last 2-3 months before Bitefest began. She now thinks they were “bites” (in our parlance here at bedbugger.com, “bites” are marks someone is not sure are actual bites from a bed bug).

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Editor’s note
from Nobugsonme:

I actually started composing S a long email on Wednesday, posing just some of those questions she notes above. And I did not send it–deciding to wait and comment after the last installment. While I hope very much that S is bed bug-free, I do want us to be skeptical about the conclusions that can be drawn from this limited experiment.

What I think S and G proved was this:

(a) G can be bitten and not react (at least for three days), and

(b) S reacts the same to nymph and adult bites (at least on her arm), and

(c) Nymph bites and adult bites, at least sometimes, look the same.

I know my conclusions will seem stingy to many, but if we want solid information, we need more research to be done.

Remember, S said a few weeks ago she wants to keep people from getting caught up in “groupthink,” the sharing of incorrect information among members of a group until everyone believes it? One fact that was becoming gospel among many bed bug sufferers around the internet was that nymph bites are small and adult bites are large. I was always skeptical of this idea, since we just did not have any proof. I am immensely grateful that S tested and shattered that belief. Doesn’t mean they can’t be different sizes in different circumstances, mind you, but on S’s arm, this week, they were not. That’s quite a nugget of information.

As S says above, “…perhaps different locations on the body elicit different bite responses.” In my own experience, I know this to be true. I have not undergone testing, but I am fairly certain. Bites on my face always looked the same: less swollen, looking like pimples but with a distinct bedbuggy itchiness that set them apart. Nevertheless, they never itched like bites on my back, shoulders, or elsewhere. They often faded quickly. Those on my toes were always tiny, but again, charactertistically itchy.

It’s possible that length of time you were bitten may matter, that distance between bites may matter (both possibilities S also posits), that even variables such as your own immune system, the degree of histamine reaction at that time or to that bug’s saliva, even how dry your skin is, or how much water you drank in the day, all of this may be a variable. I am sure there are other factors that are possible. My point is, we don’t know: this is the tip of the iceberg.

I think S is probably bed bug free as she suggests. I just don’t think she can rule out that the other marks in the composite photo were from bed bugs. Both possibilities can co-exist at the same time, in the form of bugs who just hadn’t crossed the poison yet when they bit her–they could now be dead, though they bit her. That’s my hypothesis, but we won’t get to test it. Let’s hope all S’s and G’s only future bed bug bites, if any, are by choice– “from a can,” if you will.

Thanks again to S. and G for sharing this amazing experience, and for the nugget of wisdom we’ve gotten from it.
Thanks also to our readers, for coming back to parts two and three!

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1 S April 23, 2007 at 4:33 pm

Wow, WMSB! Okay, so at least you know SOME of your bites are NOT from bedbugs! Maybe all are from other sources, maybe just some are from other sources. But this is encouraging! This is the first step.

2 wantmyskinback April 23, 2007 at 5:16 pm

Her bites were very obvious, and I actually would love to send her an anonymous email, obviously not from me (maybe from YOU willow? ) letting her know about this site…

3 nobugsonme April 23, 2007 at 7:44 pm

WMSB,
One male Bedbugger told me he discovered the probable source of his bed bugs, when he noticed obvious bite marks all over one of his building’s handymen, who spent time in his apt. before it started.
A great way to spread BBs, by the way…

4 nobugsonme April 23, 2007 at 7:47 pm

ps I once say little postcards for sale that you could give to people. They were very Postmodern: cards to leave on a car saying “It’s mean that you leave your dog in the car on such a hot day!” Or “It’s annoying to everyone in this train, listening to your phone call!” We should have one saying, “I hope I’m wrong, but you appear to have bed bug bites, go to http://bedbugger.com/faqs/ to learn more.” Or, even more urgently, “Someone in your building has bed bugs. You might have them too, and you might not even know it. Go to…”

5 wantmyskinback April 23, 2007 at 9:14 pm

Good idea about the “cards”. Funny, odd coincidence—- I once found such a card under my windshield wiper, from an apartment painter. There was a prayer on the back. And I did hire the guy to paint someone else’s apartment !!!

6 willow-the-wisp April 23, 2007 at 9:44 pm

y ME wmsb. She “mite” track my computer and hunt me down, Maybe whaT she’s got is “GENETIC”

7 Samatha August 21, 2007 at 10:39 pm

Hi, I encountered bedbugs while touring in Italy. I assume they have the tropical species there. And am still working hard to get rid of them at home. The bites I got while in Italy were very big, very itchy, swollen and took 2 months to fade almost out of sight. The exact ones on my face cleared up nice but then flared up just as bad as to begin with, but didn’t last as long the 2nd time. I used hydrocortisone cream and claritin oral. And I assume some other bites on my body flared up a 2nd or 3rd time as well. I had so many bites it was difficult to tell if old ones or new ones after I got home. The ones I think are new ones at home, they don’t last as long. Also I get big welts not red and seem to not have a bite in them and they clear up in just a few hours.
I don’t know what these are? I’ve only seen one adult bug (I assume was a bbug since I’ve never seen a bug like it before) that was stuck in the double stick carpet tape that I have around the perimeter sides of my bed. And it was somewhat different looking than all the bbugs photos posted online. Have seen a couple of what I think are baby ones. I never find any upon looking for them, but out of no where they appear like ontop bathroom counter. Does anyone have a photo of the tropical bedbug? Or know if the termite killer Vikane is available. I read that it is more affective in killing bedbugs. Samatha

8 nobugsonme August 21, 2007 at 11:53 pm

Samantha,

I don’t think you would be able to distinguish between different types of bed bug (tropical or otherwise) and I suspect the same species are in Italy and where you live. (Where are you, anyway?) We have FAQs on Vikane and reading the FAQ and comments will give you a lot of information. We also have many FAQs with photos. And I suspect you start here:
http://bedbugger.com/photos-of-bed-bugs-and-signs-of-bed-bugs/

And see if any of the photos or other signs look familiar.

How long since you came home from Italy? You might try conventional treatments first since they are much cheaper than Vikane, though if your infestation is bad, that is a good option. Professional thermal or freezing treatments are available in some areas.

9 Samatha August 22, 2007 at 2:47 pm

Hi, According to a book at library there is a slight difference in tropical bedbugs but didn’t show it’s photo. I was just curious. I live in colorado. I don’t think there are native species of bedbugs in Colorado. In my 60 yrs the only mention of bedbugs was from a southern state back in 1930. I’ve read that bedbugs were wiped out by the 1950s. But now they are back because DDT is no longer used. I’ve been back from Italy for 3 months. I have been spraying with unscented Lambda-Cyhalothrin. But it’s a very weak concentration. If I could see any to spray directly it probably would kill them but I can’t find any.

10 nobugsonme August 23, 2007 at 12:40 am

Yes, I know there’s a slight difference, but I don’t think laypeople could spot it, or that it affects your treatment plan.

Bed bugs were not native to the US but were brought here centuries ago from Europe. Before you were born, bed bugs were common.

They never entirely died out in the US according to some entomologists, but they were almost unheard of from after World War II (when pesticides containing DDT were invented) until about 1999. (DDT was banned in the US in the early 70’s, but it took the bed bugs almost 3 decades to come back, due to a variety of factors.) They have steadily increased from 1999 until now, when we are seeing a serious epidemic.

I am not an expert on pesticides, but I suggest you do not self-treat. It is very difficult to treat bed bugs, and you really need an experienced professional who knows bed bugs. They are hard to find, but there should be some there, and of course, national chains (while not necessarily the best options) will have some contacts elsewhere who know about bed bugs, even if they haven’t seen any cases. Read our FAQs and you’ll find more information there.

11 nobugsonme August 23, 2007 at 12:42 am

ps in response to your earlier question, in Colorado, you can probably find someone to do a Vikane treatment. Dow says 3x as much vikane is needed for bed bugs as termites, so the PCO needs to know you have bed bugs and treat for them specifically. Thermal and Cryogenic treatments may also be available as previously stated.

12 Samatha August 23, 2007 at 11:20 am

Hi, If I had a photo of the tropical bedbug Cimex Hemipterus it might tell me if the bug stuck in the dble stick carpet tape was a bedbug or not. Just for future reference if nothing else. I did call the Orkin co. 3 weeks after I got home but the young man looked for 2 seconds under the mattress and said he didn’t think I had any bbugs. He said maybe I brought back from my tour a bug that is not native to this area. I said yes, a tropical bedbug! He said his co. doesn’t spray unless they find evidence of bbugs. He said he did a big job at a hotel in Moab, Utah the previous month and he said it was very hard work. So, maybe he just didn’t want the work in all the summer heat or something????? I think he indicated that what they spray with is one of the many formulations of permethrins. I’m not sure tho.
I do spray cracks and perimeters and the laundry, bagging and vacuming etc etc because it didn’t seem right to let the bugs go untill there was a infestation big enough for the orkin man to find. I know I had bbugs in Italy so I doubt that a different type of insect/bug came home with me. Probably some of my skin bumps/itching are old bites, but I’m pretty sure some are new and I’ve smashed a couple of tiny tiny ones that look similiar to the online photos of baby ones.
So, I’m sure I’ve still got a problemo. What is a Vikane treatment like? I don’t know anything about it, except it kills termites and kills bbugs better or ?

13 nobugsonme August 23, 2007 at 11:48 am

Samantha,
You need to read our FAQs. They are extensive and cover your questions about Vikane, doing your own pest control, getting professional treatment, and what bed bugs look like. They took hundreds and hundreds of hours to write. Please spend some time there and if you have other questions, or follow-up questions, you can come to the forums But I beg you to read the FAQs more thoroughly first.

14 hopelessnomo August 23, 2007 at 11:57 am

I think entomologists use identification keys to distinguish between Cimex lectularius (common bedbug) and Cimex hemipterus (tropical bedbug). What Nobugs means is that to your untrained eye this may be a difficult task. (Googling will bring up several images, as well as documents that indicate that they’re difficult to tell apart.)

There are bedbugs in Colorado, Samatha, make no mistake. You can and, in my opinion, should consult another PCO.

Your comment that you have been spraying Lambda-Cyhalothrin but that “it’s a very weak concentration” suggests that you probably don’t have enough information to use pesticides yourself. Are you using proper protective gear? I’m not trying to alarm you, but it’s really in your best interest to get professional help.

There is a Vikane faq in the FAQs. Good luck.

15 Samatha August 24, 2007 at 2:24 pm

lambda cyhalothrin is a premixed pyrethroid ester insecticide sold at all hardware stores and walmart. I wore a mask. Yes, it’ll prob only kill a bbug if sprayed right on it. I can see the bbug in the tape is diff than online photos and yet very similar, but must not be a bbug. I know there are bbugs in CO. Forsure in recent years. I said I don’t think there was ever a native species to CO. I thot. maybe vikane was a spray for termites but now I had time to look it up and find it’s the gas used for full termite program. Thanks

16 Anne October 30, 2007 at 11:54 am

Hi All,

Do I undertsand well, that it might happen that after you were bitten by bedbugs there might appear “dummy” bites on your skin not directly caused by bedbugs. I mean that you might find new bites even if you were not bitten by bedbugs again?

Thanks!

17 nobugsonme October 30, 2007 at 2:49 pm

I do not think so, Anne, if the new “bites” are in new places where you had not ever been bitten. (I use “bites” in quotation marks to distinguish apparent “bites” from actual bites.

In this thread on thebedbugresource.com, which Doug links to above, Sean described bites reappearing (I gather this was in the SAME spot).

I did not take this to mean that new “bites” appeared in new locations where he had never been bitten before.

18 Anne October 31, 2007 at 6:06 am

Nobugsonme, thanks for your answer!

This sounds really bad! This might either mean that I have new bites, which might mean that I have bedbug at home (quite disappointing), or that some of the bites I got in a hostel appearred or swelled only after 4-5 days.

I wonder how much time does it take for a bedbug brought eventually in a house to find the bed and start to bite the person living there? After how much time can you realize that you brought in a bedbug in your house?

19 nobugsonme October 31, 2007 at 7:31 pm

It is hard to say. Sean’s thread (see link in my comment yesterday, above) also says that he was bitten for a long time before he reacted. While he was talking about a situation in which the cumulative effect of bites over time led to many itchy marks appearing all at once, one can also imagine it is possible that being bit by fewer bugs less often might cause less of an effect on you. (I am speculating, but if some people don’t react initially until they have lots of bites, maybe this can also happen even if you reacted before?)

if you brought one or two bed bugs home, and they bit once a week each, you might not notice the new bites right away. Sorry there are no definite answers as this has not been thoroughly researched. Some of the literature says that people may react up to 9 days after being bitten. I suspect many people react much sooner.

If you have further questions or want to discuss this further, you might want to go on the forums. Click the blue bug at the top right of this page. I am wondering whether you took any precautions after coming home from the hostel.

20 Bites44 November 3, 2007 at 2:12 pm

New here. A great topic. My problem is that it appears that I am getting almost no reaction from a bite. I will find 3 pin pricks (red) verysmall, usually 2 or 3 in a row, mostly on the inside of the arm, just below the elbow joint. Sometimes these disappear by the end of the day, sometimes they are visible for several days. If you didn’t know for sure that there were bugs somewhere, you wouldn’t even notice this. No itching. A huge problem, because I am not sure if they are still in the bed frame and mattress. Have done a lot of work on isolating the bed.

Another problem, after reading all the info here, I could have been bitten days ago.

Yesterday I sat in a new sofa chair in the LR for the first time in weeks, and one hour later, found a small white weal under my armpit (not itchy). The sofa has been steamed twice, and also has had lots of vacuuming. Did the bite come while sleeping on bed, or in the sofa chair? Was it actually a bite?

Almost I wish I was getting a stronger reaction. Are these pin pricks my paranoia–I have found skin casts, and also have seen nymphs. My question is: How many readers are just getting these small red pin pricks? Any comment greatly appreciated as I am totally dumbfounded.

21 Anne November 8, 2007 at 9:48 am

Nobugsonme, I started a new thread under forums with the subject ‘Do I have bedgugs?’
http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/1266?replies=1
Thanks for your feedback!

22 Anne November 8, 2007 at 9:53 am

Anonymous, I think this thread is for a different topic. You should raise your question under the forums. I am also new and I figured this after a few days.

23 Bites44 November 8, 2007 at 10:00 am

Sorry, I can see what you mean. Can I delete it?

24 Anne November 8, 2007 at 10:14 am

I don’t think you should delete it, just start a new topic on the forum as I did. :-)
I have just started the one with the subject: Do I have Bedbugs.

BTW. I also saw these pin pritch type of bites on me. At least I see these things and I suspect they are bites.

25 lil_bit_obsessed December 3, 2007 at 10:11 am

here’s a crazy thought… (sorry if this is already posted, i only had time to read about half the thread)

is it possible that these smaller bites, or hives, can be a reaction to the chemicals sprayed in the house? i have only had one big bite, and everything else has been itty bitty small like pimples ever since. i have not been sprayed, but my skin is unusually sensitive. could be histamine. for others, could it be a reaction to the PCO chemicals?

26 IWearTheScarletBB December 27, 2007 at 11:44 pm

I see that this thread has covered menstrual cycles. Horribly grossed out and wonder if BB are attracted to this!…not so much in the hormone fluctuating way, but more literally. I can not even fathom finding one “there”!!!!!!!

27 db July 12, 2008 at 4:09 am

i know this is an old thread, but i think i am having a similar problem to S. i had bedbugs back in the fall in an apt in nyc. i moved away and did not have any more bites until early june when i stayed at a hostel in prague. i was bit pretty bad then over the course of 5 nights thinking it was mosquitoes until the morning i left when i saw the owner spraying the hostel beds with bed bug spray. i just hoped i didnt bring them home with me. all of my bedbug bites (when i know for a fact they were bedbugs) have been big, red and extremely itchy. when i started getting small bites when i got home (about 2 weeks after the hostel), i sprayed all around, took apart furniture, sprayed behind outlet plates, etc. etc. but never actually saw any bedbugs or traces of bedbugs like blood stains. the new bites are tiny and not nearly as itchy. they are mostly lone bites but i have had a few near each other. i canno imagine what they are from. i want to know if its bedbugs and for a while i figured they were nymphs, but after seeing S’ post with similar reactions o adult and nymph, i wonder if my “bites” are bites at all…

was there ever any conclusion to S’ small bites? did they go away? were they bedbugs? another bug?

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