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		<title>By: Will it ever end?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will it ever end?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My original bb bites of 2 yrs ago
took 3-4 months to heal. At that time I also kept getting in different body areas (one individual hive like welt) which I felt were not new bites as they cleared up in an hour or so, while meantime I still had the original burning itching bb bites all over my body &#38; face and red rashes on my chest area. My entire body was miserable to say the least. Ever since then I get what looks &#38; feels like a real bite (or one hive welt)and some seem to be in same places as some original bites. But after rubbing benadryl cream on they fade in about an hour leaving no trace. 2 yrs ago I
used hydrocortizone cream for the bites.  I have since read to not use it for very long as it thins the skin especially on the face. I wonder if hydrocortizone cream could have anything to do with bite reoccuring flareups or! is it flareups of individual hives from hydrocortizone cream! I have not used hydrocortizone cream tho. for a year now and I have not found any data on if it's possible to have just one hive.</description>
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took 3-4 months to heal. At that time I also kept getting in different body areas (one individual hive like welt) which I felt were not new bites as they cleared up in an hour or so, while meantime I still had the original burning itching bb bites all over my body &amp; face and red rashes on my chest area. My entire body was miserable to say the least. Ever since then I get what looks &amp; feels like a real bite (or one hive welt)and some seem to be in same places as some original bites. But after rubbing benadryl cream on they fade in about an hour leaving no trace. 2 yrs ago I<br />
used hydrocortizone cream for the bites.  I have since read to not use it for very long as it thins the skin especially on the face. I wonder if hydrocortizone cream could have anything to do with bite reoccuring flareups or! is it flareups of individual hives from hydrocortizone cream! I have not used hydrocortizone cream tho. for a year now and I have not found any data on if it&#8217;s possible to have just one hive.</p>
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		<title>By: New Vancouver building installs &#8220;sauna&#8221; for decontaminating bed bug-infested items : Got bed bugs? Bedbugger.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Vancouver building installs &#8220;sauna&#8221; for decontaminating bed bug-infested items : Got bed bugs? Bedbugger.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And along similar lines, I spoke about getting items decontaminated (&#8221;sauna&#8217;d&#8221;) here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: fightorflight</title>
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		<dc:creator>fightorflight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the need to do a follow-up here, so folks don't think they will never be able to tell if bites are old or new. I am pasting from a post I did in the forums:

Maybe I should back off a little bit on this. What I have been experiencing are probably not hives, but a rash, an itchy rash. I have not seen a dermatologist, so I don't know. As for the classic "how do I know if they are new bites or old bites" dilemma, I should also say that, while I still experience symptoms that could indicate new bites, overall the marks on my body seem to be lessening or maturing (= many new freckles). A month ago, I had rashes so huge on my upper body that I couldn't even detect them as that. It just seemed my chest, shoulders and upper back were all red. Now the red patches have shrunk and in some cases turned into just old, individual bite marks. So even though I still see seemingly new marks which itch, my body does display evidence that the bite marks are fading or old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the need to do a follow-up here, so folks don&#8217;t think they will never be able to tell if bites are old or new. I am pasting from a post I did in the forums:</p>
<p>Maybe I should back off a little bit on this. What I have been experiencing are probably not hives, but a rash, an itchy rash. I have not seen a dermatologist, so I don&#8217;t know. As for the classic &#8220;how do I know if they are new bites or old bites&#8221; dilemma, I should also say that, while I still experience symptoms that could indicate new bites, overall the marks on my body seem to be lessening or maturing (= many new freckles). A month ago, I had rashes so huge on my upper body that I couldn&#8217;t even detect them as that. It just seemed my chest, shoulders and upper back were all red. Now the red patches have shrunk and in some cases turned into just old, individual bite marks. So even though I still see seemingly new marks which itch, my body does display evidence that the bite marks are fading or old.</p>
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		<title>By: fightorflight</title>
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		<dc:creator>fightorflight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that really a lot of my old bites are turning into freckles, not moles. Crazy stuff, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that really a lot of my old bites are turning into freckles, not moles. Crazy stuff, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: IveBeenBugged</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow folks so it turns out I'm not as crazy as I thought. A thank you to fightorflight for pointing me to this post. After changing my bathroom lights to a higher wattage - hence brighter light - I noticed that the bites I had thought were gone are still there.

Worse some seem to reactivate. I checked myself quite frequently before this bb problem as I am prone to rashes and skin irritations from a comprimised immune system. I have noticed that some of the old bites seem to reactivate and many I had thought were gone actually just got smaller and less red so less noticable.

Just makes me feel better knowing it is not just me experiencing this.

Thank you to you all for posting your own experiences with this phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow folks so it turns out I&#8217;m not as crazy as I thought. A thank you to fightorflight for pointing me to this post. After changing my bathroom lights to a higher wattage - hence brighter light - I noticed that the bites I had thought were gone are still there.</p>
<p>Worse some seem to reactivate. I checked myself quite frequently before this bb problem as I am prone to rashes and skin irritations from a comprimised immune system. I have noticed that some of the old bites seem to reactivate and many I had thought were gone actually just got smaller and less red so less noticable.</p>
<p>Just makes me feel better knowing it is not just me experiencing this.</p>
<p>Thank you to you all for posting your own experiences with this phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: paulaw0919</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with ForF. After 6 traditional treatments, ridding most of what we own and still showing many signs of the bugs (black specs and blood on sheets, bites) we opted to Vikane our home, vehicles, everything. This was done back in early fall. I still wash/dry our bedding weekly on hot/hot and inspect weekly. No signs yet. I think we are in the clear. (God, I pray)
I still experience the the occasional welt, bite marks here and there..some are tiny like a rash, some are welts, some itch and some don't.  Despite using allergenic detergents this still happens. 
I feel part of it is some possible lingering sensations from the bites, part due to our skin possibly being hypersensitive, and partly that we are even in our subconscious scanning our bodies constantly looking for something.
Nothing about Bed Bugs is good. The worst part is no matter what you do to rid them, somewhere in the back of your brain, you will always be on the lookout and every blemish, bite,  rash and itch you get for what seems like the rest of your life will mentally link you to a possibility of a bed bug infestation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with ForF. After 6 traditional treatments, ridding most of what we own and still showing many signs of the bugs (black specs and blood on sheets, bites) we opted to Vikane our home, vehicles, everything. This was done back in early fall. I still wash/dry our bedding weekly on hot/hot and inspect weekly. No signs yet. I think we are in the clear. (God, I pray)<br />
I still experience the the occasional welt, bite marks here and there..some are tiny like a rash, some are welts, some itch and some don&#8217;t.  Despite using allergenic detergents this still happens.<br />
I feel part of it is some possible lingering sensations from the bites, part due to our skin possibly being hypersensitive, and partly that we are even in our subconscious scanning our bodies constantly looking for something.<br />
Nothing about Bed Bugs is good. The worst part is no matter what you do to rid them, somewhere in the back of your brain, you will always be on the lookout and every blemish, bite,  rash and itch you get for what seems like the rest of your life will mentally link you to a possibility of a bed bug infestation.</p>
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		<title>By: fightorflight</title>
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		<dc:creator>fightorflight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread/FAQ has not seen action in a while, but I think my experience will be helpful. 

While I think it is a complete jinx to say I have bedbugs NOMORE, I will say that I am someone who went through multiple iterations of fleeing and taking NOTHING except eyeglasses, ID and credit cards. So my chances of having the bugs now, unless my luck is abominably poor, are pretty low. 

Nonetheless, everyday I will feel an itch somewhere, peel up my clothes and see welts where I had not seen any before. I really have to believe my last instances of being bitten are almost 2 months ago. Therefore, it is likely these are months' old bites flaring up. But Holy Hell - they look fresh out of the oven! The terror of the bugs lingers. Funny thing is, I'm one of those who was not initially reactive. But I am months later!! My chest, shoulders and back are positively plastered. 

In response to another post-er, I also add that my body is extremely prone to moles and discolorations. And what's weird is that the old bites on me seem to eventually fade into moles. First they form bright red, mole-shaped dots, like someone else mentioned. But I am pretty sure these are bedbug scars, because then I get regular moles - but in lines of 3! I have always kept pretty good track of where my moles are and I swear to god my skin has all sorts of astrological constellations of moles that weren't there before. 

So for all of you who think you have beaten them and are freaking out - maybe you have beaten them. Then again, if I find blood marks on my white sheets tomorrow, I will hang myself.

ForF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread/FAQ has not seen action in a while, but I think my experience will be helpful. </p>
<p>While I think it is a complete jinx to say I have bedbugs NOMORE, I will say that I am someone who went through multiple iterations of fleeing and taking NOTHING except eyeglasses, ID and credit cards. So my chances of having the bugs now, unless my luck is abominably poor, are pretty low. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, everyday I will feel an itch somewhere, peel up my clothes and see welts where I had not seen any before. I really have to believe my last instances of being bitten are almost 2 months ago. Therefore, it is likely these are months&#8217; old bites flaring up. But Holy Hell - they look fresh out of the oven! The terror of the bugs lingers. Funny thing is, I&#8217;m one of those who was not initially reactive. But I am months later!! My chest, shoulders and back are positively plastered. </p>
<p>In response to another post-er, I also add that my body is extremely prone to moles and discolorations. And what&#8217;s weird is that the old bites on me seem to eventually fade into moles. First they form bright red, mole-shaped dots, like someone else mentioned. But I am pretty sure these are bedbug scars, because then I get regular moles - but in lines of 3! I have always kept pretty good track of where my moles are and I swear to god my skin has all sorts of astrological constellations of moles that weren&#8217;t there before. </p>
<p>So for all of you who think you have beaten them and are freaking out - maybe you have beaten them. Then again, if I find blood marks on my white sheets tomorrow, I will hang myself.</p>
<p>ForF</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barb, yay for you!  You got rid of them!

I confess I have carpet phobia after bedbugs (though I did not have it, thankfully) and could never live somewhere with carpeting.  It's just a bad idea in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb, yay for you!  You got rid of them!</p>
<p>I confess I have carpet phobia after bedbugs (though I did not have it, thankfully) and could never live somewhere with carpeting.  It&#8217;s just a bad idea in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopeless

Yes, thanks again.  I just think it helps all of us to share what we have learned.  I have certainly learned a ton from my personal experience.  I have a lot of theories that aren't proven, but I do understand them much better than I did a year and 1/2 ago.  

Tammy
As Hopeless said, check out the FAQs.  I will tell you I did everything.  Sprayed, dusted, hired a PCO, cleaned.  Vaseline.  I didn't win the war until I got rid of my bed and my carpeting.  Then I sealed every tiny crack and crevice in the floor and wall.  I know it sounds drastic, but after 1 1/2 years drastic measures were required.  I'm still not totally sure I am out of it, but it looks promising.  The lingering sensations are always make me wonder if that was another bite!!  But since I don't receive several bites at a time or regularly, and they aren't as intensely itchy as the real ones, I believe they are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopeless</p>
<p>Yes, thanks again.  I just think it helps all of us to share what we have learned.  I have certainly learned a ton from my personal experience.  I have a lot of theories that aren&#8217;t proven, but I do understand them much better than I did a year and 1/2 ago.  </p>
<p>Tammy<br />
As Hopeless said, check out the FAQs.  I will tell you I did everything.  Sprayed, dusted, hired a PCO, cleaned.  Vaseline.  I didn&#8217;t win the war until I got rid of my bed and my carpeting.  Then I sealed every tiny crack and crevice in the floor and wall.  I know it sounds drastic, but after 1 1/2 years drastic measures were required.  I&#8217;m still not totally sure I am out of it, but it looks promising.  The lingering sensations are always make me wonder if that was another bite!!  But since I don&#8217;t receive several bites at a time or regularly, and they aren&#8217;t as intensely itchy as the real ones, I believe they are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tammy,
Bedbugs don't infest hair.  They don't stay on the host for long; after feeding they go back to their hiding places.  Murphy's oil soap is used as a contact killer.  It has no residual effect.  You can click the blue bug above to visit the forums (your current login is the same there) and start a thread to seek advice or share your story.  I hope you went to the doctor and are getting professional treatments.  Good luck.

Barb,
I'm not sure, but it makes sense that if the antigen persists it causes all kinds of mischief.  The issue is whether these new papules can be in different locations as well as old bite sites; the way I read it, they can.  It's also worth noting that there isn't much out there on bedbug bite allergic reactions and a lot of it is old but it's encouraging to see some attention paid.  The authors here, writing in 2006, were at pains to note that clinicians should be aware of the rise in bedbug infestations.  Well, yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tammy,<br />
Bedbugs don&#8217;t infest hair.  They don&#8217;t stay on the host for long; after feeding they go back to their hiding places.  Murphy&#8217;s oil soap is used as a contact killer.  It has no residual effect.  You can click the blue bug above to visit the forums (your current login is the same there) and start a thread to seek advice or share your story.  I hope you went to the doctor and are getting professional treatments.  Good luck.</p>
<p>Barb,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure, but it makes sense that if the antigen persists it causes all kinds of mischief.  The issue is whether these new papules can be in different locations as well as old bite sites; the way I read it, they can.  It&#8217;s also worth noting that there isn&#8217;t much out there on bedbug bite allergic reactions and a lot of it is old but it&#8217;s encouraging to see some attention paid.  The authors here, writing in 2006, were at pains to note that clinicians should be aware of the rise in bedbug infestations.  Well, yeah.</p>
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