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	<title>Comments on: Another suit at Presidential Towers: this one focuses on landlord&#8217;s non-disclosure of neighbor&#8217;s bed bugs</title>
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		<title>By: Disabled NJ man who reported bed bugs is evicted for not doing prep &#38; (allegedly) not reporting bed bugs promptly &#124; bedbugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disabled NJ man who reported bed bugs is evicted for not doing prep &#38; (allegedly) not reporting bed bugs promptly &#124; bedbugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let tenants know of neighbors&#8217; infestations. If you don&#8217;t, you may be sued, like this Chicago landlord. All&#8217;s fair in love and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FAQ: Where can I read about bed bug lawsuits? Can you help me find a lawyer? &#124; bedbugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAQ: Where can I read about bed bug lawsuits? Can you help me find a lawyer? &#124; bedbugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ihatebedbugs4eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ihatebedbugs4eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Parakeets,

Wouldn't it be great if were in the same building? I doubt it, but it would make things much more interesting hehe. 

The management company knows we all have bedbugs, and they did say "this is a bed bug prevention" a couple years ago, but if they knoew how m any units in my buidlign had them, why didnt they do another "preventative" maitnenance!!! 
The only difference is when i called and said i had them, they didnt deny it, its almost like they were expecting my call. If only they would have hired a new PCO who knew what they were doing. IT was funny becuase the one they hired were always in our complex on Tuesdays and Thursdays...kinda like THEY knew too that we all were itchy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Parakeets,</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if were in the same building? I doubt it, but it would make things much more interesting hehe. </p>
<p>The management company knows we all have bedbugs, and they did say &#8220;this is a bed bug prevention&#8221; a couple years ago, but if they knoew how m any units in my buidlign had them, why didnt they do another &#8220;preventative&#8221; maitnenance!!!<br />
The only difference is when i called and said i had them, they didnt deny it, its almost like they were expecting my call. If only they would have hired a new PCO who knew what they were doing. IT was funny becuase the one they hired were always in our complex on Tuesdays and Thursdays&#8230;kinda like THEY knew too that we all were itchy!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Parakeets,
Your situation is a prime example of how revolutionary the aggregate pheromones traps can be:  you could have irrevocable proof of bed bugs in your home.  Everyone in the building could.  Month after month.
Imagine the class action suit that would enable.  

(See people, I am not anti-lawsuit!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Parakeets,<br />
Your situation is a prime example of how revolutionary the aggregate pheromones traps can be:  you could have irrevocable proof of bed bugs in your home.  Everyone in the building could.  Month after month.<br />
Imagine the class action suit that would enable.  </p>
<p>(See people, I am not anti-lawsuit!)</p>
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		<title>By: parakeets</title>
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		<dc:creator>parakeets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4Eva--
I'm from the Boston area, too, and my situation exactly parallels yours.  My building has had bedbugs for a couple of years and we have never been told we have bedbugs.  Never.  I have had samples and a medical diagnosis and everything.  We're told nothing.  They don't even tell us when they are treating.  Tenants have moved out due to bedbugs and new tenants are moving in, not knowing they are moving into an infested building.  A friend of mine lives in a building where they were treated for what obviously was bedbugs, and the tenants weren't told it was bedbugs.  They were  told it was for "a new kind of roach."  Not only is there no disclosure, there is outright fraud.  The management companies and landlords will lose in the long run since this  ostrich behavior spreads bedbugs much worse than if they ever did disclosure and correct treatment.  I'm sure landlords and management companies in the Boston area are not merely ignoring bedbugs, they are quaking at them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4Eva&#8211;<br />
I&#8217;m from the Boston area, too, and my situation exactly parallels yours.  My building has had bedbugs for a couple of years and we have never been told we have bedbugs.  Never.  I have had samples and a medical diagnosis and everything.  We&#8217;re told nothing.  They don&#8217;t even tell us when they are treating.  Tenants have moved out due to bedbugs and new tenants are moving in, not knowing they are moving into an infested building.  A friend of mine lives in a building where they were treated for what obviously was bedbugs, and the tenants weren&#8217;t told it was bedbugs.  They were  told it was for &#8220;a new kind of roach.&#8221;  Not only is there no disclosure, there is outright fraud.  The management companies and landlords will lose in the long run since this  ostrich behavior spreads bedbugs much worse than if they ever did disclosure and correct treatment.  I&#8217;m sure landlords and management companies in the Boston area are not merely ignoring bedbugs, they are quaking at them!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 4Eva,
I am sorry about your situation.
It sounds like it's too late in your case, but others can look at our tenants/landlords FAQ for information for renters in various cities (including Boston).  If your city isn't covered, do a google, or check the city web page for housing laws for tenants.  Send us any relevant links covering laws about maintaining property, eliminating pests, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi 4Eva,<br />
I am sorry about your situation.<br />
It sounds like it&#8217;s too late in your case, but others can look at our tenants/landlords FAQ for information for renters in various cities (including Boston).  If your city isn&#8217;t covered, do a google, or check the city web page for housing laws for tenants.  Send us any relevant links covering laws about maintaining property, eliminating pests, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ihatebedbugs4eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ihatebedbugs4eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is the case then why was I charged $1700 by CMJ Management to breake my lease early due to infestation? I couldn't live there, and i couldnt rent out my other bedroom (after my roomate left) knowing that the new person will probably get bedbugs as well. I told the management this and they agreed, and told me they were keeping my security deposit.

I live in Boston, and was in my apartment for 5 years with never a problem. Nothing.  A couple years ago the management did notify residents in my building to move everythign from the walls etc and they were coming in to either spray or put glue traps down. Well, i didnt have bedbugs then.

Now it turns otu i found out many people in my building had bedbugs aroudn the same time i did, but no one was notified of anything. They just treated it like they were coming in to paint the walls or something, no one else needs to know, right?

Wrong. I heard that one itme the aparmtent below me had bedbugs, and i have a feeling some students brought them in a couple doors down as well. 

Still..i lost $1700 and that is not counting throwing out my good bed, and almost all of my furniture. 

Corcoran Mullens Jenison Management does not care. They never have to live with these things and they also have no problem taking your money and life right out from under your nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is the case then why was I charged $1700 by CMJ Management to breake my lease early due to infestation? I couldn&#8217;t live there, and i couldnt rent out my other bedroom (after my roomate left) knowing that the new person will probably get bedbugs as well. I told the management this and they agreed, and told me they were keeping my security deposit.</p>
<p>I live in Boston, and was in my apartment for 5 years with never a problem. Nothing.  A couple years ago the management did notify residents in my building to move everythign from the walls etc and they were coming in to either spray or put glue traps down. Well, i didnt have bedbugs then.</p>
<p>Now it turns otu i found out many people in my building had bedbugs aroudn the same time i did, but no one was notified of anything. They just treated it like they were coming in to paint the walls or something, no one else needs to know, right?</p>
<p>Wrong. I heard that one itme the aparmtent below me had bedbugs, and i have a feeling some students brought them in a couple doors down as well. </p>
<p>Still..i lost $1700 and that is not counting throwing out my good bed, and almost all of my furniture. </p>
<p>Corcoran Mullens Jenison Management does not care. They never have to live with these things and they also have no problem taking your money and life right out from under your nose.</p>
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		<title>By: S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobugs and Bugalina, thanks for your consideration of me as an exception. I am aware of the risks, and I think at this point I have the general methods down. However, I still plan to read the product labels very carefully, follow them to a tee, and still probably ask Jessinchicago lots of questions! 

I too agree that doing your own pest control is not wise, for most people, in most cases. For us, it's been three and a half months, and I think we're almost ready to make the leap. If our first 3 PCO treatments hadn't been just in the bedroom, if we didn't have a wooden ceiling, if we didn't have a brick wall full of holes, if we didn't have two cars, and if we had isolated our bed sooner than 6 weeks in, this might have stopped by now, and we never would have felt the need to resort to buying our own stuff.

But then again, if we hadn't gotten our landlord to pay for extermination, if we didn't eventually find a PCO who was so thorough and open-minded, if I didn't have a counselor who helped me and my boyfriend understand my trauma, and if I didn't have this website and all the people I've met through it, we might have taken matters into our own hands sooner.

&lt;em&gt;(Editor's note, but without watching the PCO, or having contact with people like Jess that you could ask about pesticides, you would have been even less qualified to go it alone, and more likely to either hurt yourself or make your bed bug problems worse.)

So, thanks to everyone. I hope to declare success sometime soon, though right now, it's just too soon to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobugs and Bugalina, thanks for your consideration of me as an exception. I am aware of the risks, and I think at this point I have the general methods down. However, I still plan to read the product labels very carefully, follow them to a tee, and still probably ask Jessinchicago lots of questions! </p>
<p>I too agree that doing your own pest control is not wise, for most people, in most cases. For us, it&#8217;s been three and a half months, and I think we&#8217;re almost ready to make the leap. If our first 3 PCO treatments hadn&#8217;t been just in the bedroom, if we didn&#8217;t have a wooden ceiling, if we didn&#8217;t have a brick wall full of holes, if we didn&#8217;t have two cars, and if we had isolated our bed sooner than 6 weeks in, this might have stopped by now, and we never would have felt the need to resort to buying our own stuff.</p>
<p>But then again, if we hadn&#8217;t gotten our landlord to pay for extermination, if we didn&#8217;t eventually find a PCO who was so thorough and open-minded, if I didn&#8217;t have a counselor who helped me and my boyfriend understand my trauma, and if I didn&#8217;t have this website and all the people I&#8217;ve met through it, we might have taken matters into our own hands sooner.</p>
<p><em>(Editor&#8217;s note, but without watching the PCO, or having contact with people like Jess that you could ask about pesticides, you would have been even less qualified to go it alone, and more likely to either hurt yourself or make your bed bug problems worse.)</p>
<p>So, thanks to everyone. I hope to declare success sometime soon, though right now, it&#8217;s just too soon to tell.</em></p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bugalina,

I firmly believe most people -- who do not have S's background -- should not use pesticides.  (If you read my comment above correctly, you'd see I was granting an exception in S's case.)  Even experienced users, who did it out of necessity and really did their research, like Jess, have told us they hurt themselves using pesticides.

I do not include DE in this (though obviously there are still cautions to be taken).  I think it is safe for people who've never had bed bugs or have no evidence of an infestation to use freshwater DE (with care).

I would not want people to rush to self-treat thinking that PCOs can't find evidence if the person can't, since PCOs should have an easier time finding evidence than new sufferers can.  Evidence does not mean bugs.  Even if your PCO didn't find such evidence, they've learned a lot since then.  

If it seems like I'm a bit pushy about these views, it's because I wouldn't want people to harm themselves or make their infestations worse and then say, "Well, I read on Bedbugger that this is what I should do."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bugalina,</p>
<p>I firmly believe most people &#8212; who do not have S&#8217;s background &#8212; should not use pesticides.  (If you read my comment above correctly, you&#8217;d see I was granting an exception in S&#8217;s case.)  Even experienced users, who did it out of necessity and really did their research, like Jess, have told us they hurt themselves using pesticides.</p>
<p>I do not include DE in this (though obviously there are still cautions to be taken).  I think it is safe for people who&#8217;ve never had bed bugs or have no evidence of an infestation to use freshwater DE (with care).</p>
<p>I would not want people to rush to self-treat thinking that PCOs can&#8217;t find evidence if the person can&#8217;t, since PCOs should have an easier time finding evidence than new sufferers can.  Evidence does not mean bugs.  Even if your PCO didn&#8217;t find such evidence, they&#8217;ve learned a lot since then.  </p>
<p>If it seems like I&#8217;m a bit pushy about these views, it&#8217;s because I wouldn&#8217;t want people to harm themselves or make their infestations worse and then say, &#8220;Well, I read on Bedbugger that this is what I should do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bugalina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bugalina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S....Really has no choice.  If exterminators demand proof, other than bites, It can delay precious extermination time.  This is what happened to me. 
The exterminators wanted me to prove to them that my bites were from bed bugs.  It was almost 3 weeks later that one was found crawling on my back.  That was 3 weeks that allowed the bugs to breed.  This is why I started to self treat.  Not by choice, but by necessity.  If pre-treating isn't an available option, then S has no choice.  I think pre-treating, given this explosive epidemic, is intelligent and necessary.  An ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure.  Deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S&#8230;.Really has no choice.  If exterminators demand proof, other than bites, It can delay precious extermination time.  This is what happened to me.<br />
The exterminators wanted me to prove to them that my bites were from bed bugs.  It was almost 3 weeks later that one was found crawling on my back.  That was 3 weeks that allowed the bugs to breed.  This is why I started to self treat.  Not by choice, but by necessity.  If pre-treating isn&#8217;t an available option, then S has no choice.  I think pre-treating, given this explosive epidemic, is intelligent and necessary.  An ounce of prevention, is worth a pound of cure.  Deb</p>
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