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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/03/07/brooklyn-woman-suing-apparently-because-of-half-aed-treatment-for-bed-bugs/#comment-7834</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harriet, our understanding--and we asked an entomologist--is you can't.
I believe you can verify an arthropod was involved.  But you can't prove a bed bug was involved.  That's what I was told anyway, by someone who should know.

If it were possible, of course, our lives would be so much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harriet, our understanding&#8211;and we asked an entomologist&#8211;is you can&#8217;t.<br />
I believe you can verify an arthropod was involved.  But you can&#8217;t prove a bed bug was involved.  That&#8217;s what I was told anyway, by someone who should know.</p>
<p>If it were possible, of course, our lives would be so much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Harriet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harriet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm curious about the Brooklyn woman who got her bites biopsied.  I had always thought that it wasn't possible to get any definitive diagnosis for bed bug bite from a biopsy.  I'd love some feedback on thatl  THanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about the Brooklyn woman who got her bites biopsied.  I had always thought that it wasn&#8217;t possible to get any definitive diagnosis for bed bug bite from a biopsy.  I&#8217;d love some feedback on thatl  THanks</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2007/03/07/brooklyn-woman-suing-apparently-because-of-half-aed-treatment-for-bed-bugs/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nomo, Aretha is my favorite!  You sing just fine.  I am just afraid of crowd control.

Cinnamongirl, it isn't clever to lie to people who tell you they have information on something that they're witholding as a gesture of respect and goodwill.  I know you have a closer relationship with the plaintiff than being on the block, and if you deny it, I'll say what it is.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nomo, Aretha is my favorite!  You sing just fine.  I am just afraid of crowd control.</p>
<p>Cinnamongirl, it isn&#8217;t clever to lie to people who tell you they have information on something that they&#8217;re witholding as a gesture of respect and goodwill.  I know you have a closer relationship with the plaintiff than being on the block, and if you deny it, I&#8217;ll say what it is.<br />
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo'</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Cinnamongirl.

For the record, and for the benefit of anyone reading who thinks this got a little weird there for a moment, no one doubts that this person had bedbugs, that she was traumatized, or even that her first (and apparently only) PCO treatment was an ineffective waste of 10 minutes.  After recent events on this thread, I don't even doubt that her landlord blew off her phone calls if you know what I mean.  (Big mistake there, landlord, if that's what you did!   Emotion has no place in those all important landlord-tenant bedbug discussions--I know from bitter experience--and landlords better think of their property and their interests and not of how difficult a tenant is and how much they'd rather have a root canal than come to the phone.   By the way, Cinnamongirl, what I just said right there?  &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is speculation.  But not baseless speculation.  Do you get the difference?)  

It is possible to form a nuanced opinion that takes into account all the known facts, multiple sources of information, and probable chronology of events and still fall short of the enthusiastic support that you came here expecting to receive.

Before our little moment of tension there, I was thinking of posting a message about all the possible ways that this landlord could be at fault.  It was going to be a considered comment proposing that he might be a landlord who is worth suing, but who might escape the worst of it because of a premature, weak lawsuit.  I wanted to say that the compensating grace is that now every single tenant in that building knows about bedbugs.  They now have a chance.  Finally I was going to fantasize, I know you like that word Cinnamongirl, about the pros and cons and practical challenges of new housing laws.  If we had our druthers, you know what I mean? What if there were laws requiring not only landlords, but also tenants, to disclose infestations.  What of privacy concerns?  Who pays for what?  If landlords notify tenants, will tenants send them their dry cleaning bills?  Etc.  Sigh.  It was going to rock, Cinnamongirl.  It was going to be a balancing gesture.  For you.

Now I don't have it in me.  Especially since Nobugs seems not to like my singing.

But I appreciate the attempt at a graceful exit.

Be well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Cinnamongirl.</p>
<p>For the record, and for the benefit of anyone reading who thinks this got a little weird there for a moment, no one doubts that this person had bedbugs, that she was traumatized, or even that her first (and apparently only) PCO treatment was an ineffective waste of 10 minutes.  After recent events on this thread, I don&#8217;t even doubt that her landlord blew off her phone calls if you know what I mean.  (Big mistake there, landlord, if that&#8217;s what you did!   Emotion has no place in those all important landlord-tenant bedbug discussions&#8211;I know from bitter experience&#8211;and landlords better think of their property and their interests and not of how difficult a tenant is and how much they&#8217;d rather have a root canal than come to the phone.   By the way, Cinnamongirl, what I just said right there?  <i>That</i> is speculation.  But not baseless speculation.  Do you get the difference?)  </p>
<p>It is possible to form a nuanced opinion that takes into account all the known facts, multiple sources of information, and probable chronology of events and still fall short of the enthusiastic support that you came here expecting to receive.</p>
<p>Before our little moment of tension there, I was thinking of posting a message about all the possible ways that this landlord could be at fault.  It was going to be a considered comment proposing that he might be a landlord who is worth suing, but who might escape the worst of it because of a premature, weak lawsuit.  I wanted to say that the compensating grace is that now every single tenant in that building knows about bedbugs.  They now have a chance.  Finally I was going to fantasize, I know you like that word Cinnamongirl, about the pros and cons and practical challenges of new housing laws.  If we had our druthers, you know what I mean? What if there were laws requiring not only landlords, but also tenants, to disclose infestations.  What of privacy concerns?  Who pays for what?  If landlords notify tenants, will tenants send them their dry cleaning bills?  Etc.  Sigh.  It was going to rock, Cinnamongirl.  It was going to be a balancing gesture.  For you.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t have it in me.  Especially since Nobugs seems not to like my singing.</p>
<p>But I appreciate the attempt at a graceful exit.</p>
<p>Be well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cinnamongirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinnamongirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in my prior post, I live on the block, for at least as long as she has, if not more (25 years).  when I saw her moving many bags into her car, I asked if she was moving and got the story.  I never have had bed bugs, but have researched it since finding out about what happened to her since I am in the white building next door.  Being that I literally "saw her pain", it's was difficult for me to read some of the sarcastic posts here going off on a tangent and couldn't be more wrong.  If you know a person has experienced something I gather most of you have, I couldn't fathom the attitude.  But, I won't be back because I think I know enough about them now to be on the lookout myself for one thing.  For another, it's not a safe place, I feel.  Hope all of you get out of your bed bug situations successfully in your own way.  But when I read about rent-stabilized tenants paying out of their pocket for things - it irks me and I think something should be done.  If nobody listens, you go to the next step, whatever that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in my prior post, I live on the block, for at least as long as she has, if not more (25 years).  when I saw her moving many bags into her car, I asked if she was moving and got the story.  I never have had bed bugs, but have researched it since finding out about what happened to her since I am in the white building next door.  Being that I literally &#8220;saw her pain&#8221;, it&#8217;s was difficult for me to read some of the sarcastic posts here going off on a tangent and couldn&#8217;t be more wrong.  If you know a person has experienced something I gather most of you have, I couldn&#8217;t fathom the attitude.  But, I won&#8217;t be back because I think I know enough about them now to be on the lookout myself for one thing.  For another, it&#8217;s not a safe place, I feel.  Hope all of you get out of your bed bug situations successfully in your own way.  But when I read about rent-stabilized tenants paying out of their pocket for things - it irks me and I think something should be done.  If nobody listens, you go to the next step, whatever that is.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo'</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Nobugs.  The clouds have passed.

I feel happy today.  I feel like singing.  Someone was blasting Aretha on the subway this morning.

Can I sing, Nobugs?

&lt;i&gt;All through my morning break now
I say a little prayer for youuuuu&lt;/i&gt;

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Nobugs.  The clouds have passed.</p>
<p>I feel happy today.  I feel like singing.  Someone was blasting Aretha on the subway this morning.</p>
<p>Can I sing, Nobugs?</p>
<p><i>All through my morning break now<br />
I say a little prayer for youuuuu</i><br />
 <img src='http://bedbugger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cinnamongirl, 

Any regular reader of the blog will be aware of the activist angle of this blog and its readers. We are trying to effect change.  Considering how court cases may or may enhance or undermine our legal status is just a small part of that.  

Others have noted that you seem to know things about the case which are not being reported in the media.  I personally have reason to think you may be related to the plaintiff, or may in fact be the plaintiff.   I have not exposed this information to others because I do not want to embarrass you.  If you don't stop pressing the issue, I will.

Contrary to what you think, as Nomo said, we're being kind (even though you're not).   Trust us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cinnamongirl, </p>
<p>Any regular reader of the blog will be aware of the activist angle of this blog and its readers. We are trying to effect change.  Considering how court cases may or may enhance or undermine our legal status is just a small part of that.  </p>
<p>Others have noted that you seem to know things about the case which are not being reported in the media.  I personally have reason to think you may be related to the plaintiff, or may in fact be the plaintiff.   I have not exposed this information to others because I do not want to embarrass you.  If you don&#8217;t stop pressing the issue, I will.</p>
<p>Contrary to what you think, as Nomo said, we&#8217;re being kind (even though you&#8217;re not).   Trust us.</p>
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		<title>By: WantMySkinBack</title>
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		<dc:creator>WantMySkinBack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CG, the best sentence you wrote was "Do you just talk and comment about other cases or is there anyone here actually trying to change things?" .
We need to change things. Some will do it by sueing and some will do it by experimenting and others will do it by talking right here on this blog...change begins with communication. Although sometimes LESS is more, and I gather that since you are "not supposed to say much" this might not be the place to do that. This blog is international and at the fingertips and eyes of anyone who types into google, "Bed Bugs NYC".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CG, the best sentence you wrote was &#8220;Do you just talk and comment about other cases or is there anyone here actually trying to change things?&#8221; .<br />
We need to change things. Some will do it by sueing and some will do it by experimenting and others will do it by talking right here on this blog&#8230;change begins with communication. Although sometimes LESS is more, and I gather that since you are &#8220;not supposed to say much&#8221; this might not be the place to do that. This blog is international and at the fingertips and eyes of anyone who types into google, &#8220;Bed Bugs NYC&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: hopelessnomo'</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopelessnomo'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, Cinnamongirl.  No. No. No.  This is not what you want to do.  

I was giving you a pass because the truth is that knowing more than you can say is an uncomfortable position.  Damn uncomfortable.  I could flatter myself that my motives were purer than yours, but this, this is ill advised... You don't even know what you're doing, do you?

I think I need to take a deep breath first.

Nobugs, if ever I needed your counsel, no time like now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, Cinnamongirl.  No. No. No.  This is not what you want to do.  </p>
<p>I was giving you a pass because the truth is that knowing more than you can say is an uncomfortable position.  Damn uncomfortable.  I could flatter myself that my motives were purer than yours, but this, this is ill advised&#8230; You don&#8217;t even know what you&#8217;re doing, do you?</p>
<p>I think I need to take a deep breath first.</p>
<p>Nobugs, if ever I needed your counsel, no time like now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinnamongirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cinnamongirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zakman - the only nerve you touched is the one that gets pushed when people speak when they are truly "guessing" and fantisizing about what the facts are.  You obviously didn't even read my very first comment on this case way up there where I say "311 was called, twice and an HPD court action was taken and won by default".  Then, still nothing.  I left out so much.  Sorry, didn't mean to be cryptic just know that I am a trusted source on the block and not supposed to say much.  I hope to come back on here sometime when I find out how it all turned out.  I do know that housing court, code enforcement, DHCR are still being pursued vigorously.  I am curious, besides talking to one another on blogs, groups etc. (which I do agree is a lifeline if you ever had this issue) what have you all done in NYC,  as rent-stabilized tenants to bring this horror to light and get changes made (landlords to do what they are legally supposed to do).  Do you just talk and comment about other cases or is there anyone here actually trying to change things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zakman - the only nerve you touched is the one that gets pushed when people speak when they are truly &#8220;guessing&#8221; and fantisizing about what the facts are.  You obviously didn&#8217;t even read my very first comment on this case way up there where I say &#8220;311 was called, twice and an HPD court action was taken and won by default&#8221;.  Then, still nothing.  I left out so much.  Sorry, didn&#8217;t mean to be cryptic just know that I am a trusted source on the block and not supposed to say much.  I hope to come back on here sometime when I find out how it all turned out.  I do know that housing court, code enforcement, DHCR are still being pursued vigorously.  I am curious, besides talking to one another on blogs, groups etc. (which I do agree is a lifeline if you ever had this issue) what have you all done in NYC,  as rent-stabilized tenants to bring this horror to light and get changes made (landlords to do what they are legally supposed to do).  Do you just talk and comment about other cases or is there anyone here actually trying to change things?</p>
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