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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/22/bed-bug-unfriendly-mattress-re-sellers-recommendations/#comment-9271</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tricia,
If a clean mattress came into your house the first time, and then when they came to collect it, it had black markings, there is a chance you have bed bugs.  You should ensure that is not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tricia,<br />
If a clean mattress came into your house the first time, and then when they came to collect it, it had black markings, there is a chance you have bed bugs.  You should ensure that is not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Tricia</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/22/bed-bug-unfriendly-mattress-re-sellers-recommendations/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went through something similiar with a Sleepy's mattress. They gave me 21 days to try the mattress, if I did not like it or was not comfortable with it I could return it for a fee of $250.00 and they will take the mattress from my house, take it and burn it. Well when they came to get the mattress, and deliver the new one, they found that the one they were to take from me  had markings on the bottom of mattress. Well I went throught this whole thing that they were not going to take the mattress I did not want anymore and were NOT going to give me the new one. Well if they were going to burn the mattress why did they give me such a hard time about taking it back? While I was on the phone with the Sleepy's people, I told the men in the truck NOT to leave and they did anyway. Only to have to come back and take the old mattress and give me my new one!! Well now I get my new mattress from them and the boxspring has a big black mark on it and the whole one side of the mattress was filthy dirty because when the put it back on the truck they put the side down that was exposed from them opening it in the first place~~~~so now I get a mattress with markings on it and is dirty~~~and I am NOT finished with them yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went through something similiar with a Sleepy&#8217;s mattress. They gave me 21 days to try the mattress, if I did not like it or was not comfortable with it I could return it for a fee of $250.00 and they will take the mattress from my house, take it and burn it. Well when they came to get the mattress, and deliver the new one, they found that the one they were to take from me  had markings on the bottom of mattress. Well I went throught this whole thing that they were not going to take the mattress I did not want anymore and were NOT going to give me the new one. Well if they were going to burn the mattress why did they give me such a hard time about taking it back? While I was on the phone with the Sleepy&#8217;s people, I told the men in the truck NOT to leave and they did anyway. Only to have to come back and take the old mattress and give me my new one!! Well now I get my new mattress from them and the boxspring has a big black mark on it and the whole one side of the mattress was filthy dirty because when the put it back on the truck they put the side down that was exposed from them opening it in the first place~~~~so now I get a mattress with markings on it and is dirty~~~and I am NOT finished with them yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Bugalina</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/22/bed-bug-unfriendly-mattress-re-sellers-recommendations/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Bugalina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hopeless..I find that the air mattress...filled to capacity and then with a foam topper is a very comfortable sleep..and  it is firm..for now I think any mattress purchase is not a good idea...if one can avoid it.  You are correct about your question to the Macy's person. What kind of truck do they use to pick up a mattress with?  Is it isolated?  Unfortunately we are living in a world with lousy ethics. Lousy ethics, coupled with ignorance and greed are not going to get us solutions to kill bed bugs anytime soon.  I think a bed bug march might get some attention...I cannot believe Macy's is still selling used mattresses..even if there is disclosure.  There have been several people on Caitlins blog that got bed bugs from buying mattresses from warehouses.. a woman in Colorado was one of those people.  We are surrounded by more ignorance regarding bed bugs than they were back in the turn of the century.  At least then they could take the infested mattresses outside and burn them..Now we are having them RESOLD!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hopeless..I find that the air mattress&#8230;filled to capacity and then with a foam topper is a very comfortable sleep..and  it is firm..for now I think any mattress purchase is not a good idea&#8230;if one can avoid it.  You are correct about your question to the Macy&#8217;s person. What kind of truck do they use to pick up a mattress with?  Is it isolated?  Unfortunately we are living in a world with lousy ethics. Lousy ethics, coupled with ignorance and greed are not going to get us solutions to kill bed bugs anytime soon.  I think a bed bug march might get some attention&#8230;I cannot believe Macy&#8217;s is still selling used mattresses..even if there is disclosure.  There have been several people on Caitlins blog that got bed bugs from buying mattresses from warehouses.. a woman in Colorado was one of those people.  We are surrounded by more ignorance regarding bed bugs than they were back in the turn of the century.  At least then they could take the infested mattresses outside and burn them..Now we are having them RESOLD!!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
		<link>http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/22/bed-bug-unfriendly-mattress-re-sellers-recommendations/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!!!  See, this is exactly why so many people _do_ toss the things.  You can say its safer for everyone else to hold on to them, but the covers are not as secure as people would like to think.  On the best covers (and I have a nice one from National Allergy that's vinyl inside and cloth outside), there's the question of that wee spot where the zipper is, and how no tape is ever permanently going to stick over it.  With the cheaper vinyl ones, there's the rip factor: very rippable.  I have a cat and I fear he will poke holes in my GOOD cover.  

This is all not as much of a deal if you're dealing with a new mattress and no bed bugs, but it's a huge worry if you follow the standard advice to encase, and let them die a slow death.

(By the way, I had a cover on my bed before all this started.  When I inspected, I saw nothing, but removed and replaced the cover anyway.  I wish I could throw out the old, rickety, crevice-y building I live in and keep my mattress.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!!!  See, this is exactly why so many people _do_ toss the things.  You can say its safer for everyone else to hold on to them, but the covers are not as secure as people would like to think.  On the best covers (and I have a nice one from National Allergy that&#8217;s vinyl inside and cloth outside), there&#8217;s the question of that wee spot where the zipper is, and how no tape is ever permanently going to stick over it.  With the cheaper vinyl ones, there&#8217;s the rip factor: very rippable.  I have a cat and I fear he will poke holes in my GOOD cover.  </p>
<p>This is all not as much of a deal if you&#8217;re dealing with a new mattress and no bed bugs, but it&#8217;s a huge worry if you follow the standard advice to encase, and let them die a slow death.</p>
<p>(By the way, I had a cover on my bed before all this started.  When I inspected, I saw nothing, but removed and replaced the cover anyway.  I wish I could throw out the old, rickety, crevice-y building I live in and keep my mattress.)</p>
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		<title>By: hopeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weakness!  Of course, like usual with me.

When this whole thing started for me, I got very sick and was trying to self-treat and that was making me sicker, and I physically couldn't lift the mattress and box spring all the way to cover them.  I mean, I tried, but did a bad job--the box spring especially was not fully covered.  And I was alone and desperate.  So I asked the super to help me throw them out.  I fully disclosed why and explained the safety precautions I had planned for both of us, and so he did.  I had plastic sheeting and duct tape and I sealed them up and we took them outside.  It never occurred to me to ask him to help me properly cover them instead, because the first thing I saw when he helped me put the mattress upright was a big, round hole in the vinyl encasements.  When I remember this hole I have a vision of a mass of bedbugs converging on the spot to plan and execute their escape.

I had a nice firm bed and I never thought I'd miss it this much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weakness!  Of course, like usual with me.</p>
<p>When this whole thing started for me, I got very sick and was trying to self-treat and that was making me sicker, and I physically couldn&#8217;t lift the mattress and box spring all the way to cover them.  I mean, I tried, but did a bad job&#8211;the box spring especially was not fully covered.  And I was alone and desperate.  So I asked the super to help me throw them out.  I fully disclosed why and explained the safety precautions I had planned for both of us, and so he did.  I had plastic sheeting and duct tape and I sealed them up and we took them outside.  It never occurred to me to ask him to help me properly cover them instead, because the first thing I saw when he helped me put the mattress upright was a big, round hole in the vinyl encasements.  When I remember this hole I have a vision of a mass of bedbugs converging on the spot to plan and execute their escape.</p>
<p>I had a nice firm bed and I never thought I&#8217;d miss it this much.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I should add:  as soon as we have a few more bits of information on mattress companies, we'll put up a FAQ about new mattresses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I should add:  as soon as we have a few more bits of information on mattress companies, we&#8217;ll put up a FAQ about new mattresses.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 05:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopeless-- my last comment was sitting on my screen, and I hit post and then found yours.  Many thanks for the info on Macy's.   I hope others -- especially those in the market -- will call local or nationwide mattress sellers and let us know what they find.

Incidentally, what made you decide to toss the mattress?  (I realize that might sound almost comical to some, as this is a site about bed bug infestations... but I ask since we're often encouraged to treat and cover rather than toss them.  As creepy as the idea can be...)

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopeless&#8211; my last comment was sitting on my screen, and I hit post and then found yours.  Many thanks for the info on Macy&#8217;s.   I hope others &#8212; especially those in the market &#8212; will call local or nationwide mattress sellers and let us know what they find.</p>
<p>Incidentally, what made you decide to toss the mattress?  (I realize that might sound almost comical to some, as this is a site about bed bug infestations&#8230; but I ask since we&#8217;re often encouraged to treat and cover rather than toss them.  As creepy as the idea can be&#8230;)</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 04:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bugged,

Absolutely!  That's why the policy of carting used furniture and mattresses away, which so many full-service stores offer as a special "bonus," is spreading bed bugs.

It's also why the move to make reselling mattresses illegal is such a limited attempt at stopping this epidemic.

Frankly, moving truck rental companies, as well as delivery truck services, are going to have to take drastic action ASAP to stop spreading bed bugs.  

Moving services and Rental trucks are probably a huge conduit for bed bugs  right now:  think how many people with bed bugs move (some even unaware); they load their stuff on the truck for a few hours or a few days, they get in the truck themselves, they move their stuff, and a few hours later, the process is repeated.  So people who move with bed bugs are spreading them to those who move without them.  Mover's blankets and trucks should be treated between uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bugged,</p>
<p>Absolutely!  That&#8217;s why the policy of carting used furniture and mattresses away, which so many full-service stores offer as a special &#8220;bonus,&#8221; is spreading bed bugs.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also why the move to make reselling mattresses illegal is such a limited attempt at stopping this epidemic.</p>
<p>Frankly, moving truck rental companies, as well as delivery truck services, are going to have to take drastic action ASAP to stop spreading bed bugs.  </p>
<p>Moving services and Rental trucks are probably a huge conduit for bed bugs  right now:  think how many people with bed bugs move (some even unaware); they load their stuff on the truck for a few hours or a few days, they get in the truck themselves, they move their stuff, and a few hours later, the process is repeated.  So people who move with bed bugs are spreading them to those who move without them.  Mover&#8217;s blankets and trucks should be treated between uses.</p>
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		<title>By: hopeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 03:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to thank Bugalina for the foam topper idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to thank Bugalina for the foam topper idea.</p>
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		<title>By: hopeless</title>
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		<dc:creator>hopeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I just spoke to a salesperson at Macy's and he said:

* a customer who returns a mattress during their 30-day comfort trial pays a disposal fee and a restocking fee and that used mattress is taken to a warehouse where it, he admits, may be resold "as is" (without any cleaning or treating), but is clearly labelled as a used mattress or floor sample and will never be sold to a consumer as a new mattress; he says Macy's beds are factory-ordered and so take about two weeks for delivery (as opposed to those other same-day-delivery companies)

* they do not cart away used mattresses for the customer after setting up the new mattress at home--he assured me that this is their policy and that, at most, they may take the used mattress to the curb at the customer's request but do not put it in the truck--he said that doing so would expose them to so much liability that they cannot risk their reputations yadda yadda (actually, a very nice guy)

Obvious follow-up question that I didn't ask: when a mattress is returned by a customer during the 30-day trial, do they keep a fleet of segregated trucks for that purpose?   I was tired--I was only there browsing because I had to kill 2 or 3 hours during my latest treatment--so, yeah, no investigative journalism skills here, that's for sure.  But I have his card and will call him.

This is a salesperson.  I will also try their corporate offices to get a written policy.  It makes sense if big department stores have policies to protect them from suits.   It's also good, for me, that Macy's has a bed for every budget.  I am not going to call Swedish custom-made bed purveyors or any other companies that cater to the very wealthy.  It's distressing that bedbugs have made me jealous and resentful.  I don't want to be this way!  I long to be free...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I just spoke to a salesperson at Macy&#8217;s and he said:</p>
<p>* a customer who returns a mattress during their 30-day comfort trial pays a disposal fee and a restocking fee and that used mattress is taken to a warehouse where it, he admits, may be resold &#8220;as is&#8221; (without any cleaning or treating), but is clearly labelled as a used mattress or floor sample and will never be sold to a consumer as a new mattress; he says Macy&#8217;s beds are factory-ordered and so take about two weeks for delivery (as opposed to those other same-day-delivery companies)</p>
<p>* they do not cart away used mattresses for the customer after setting up the new mattress at home&#8211;he assured me that this is their policy and that, at most, they may take the used mattress to the curb at the customer&#8217;s request but do not put it in the truck&#8211;he said that doing so would expose them to so much liability that they cannot risk their reputations yadda yadda (actually, a very nice guy)</p>
<p>Obvious follow-up question that I didn&#8217;t ask: when a mattress is returned by a customer during the 30-day trial, do they keep a fleet of segregated trucks for that purpose?   I was tired&#8211;I was only there browsing because I had to kill 2 or 3 hours during my latest treatment&#8211;so, yeah, no investigative journalism skills here, that&#8217;s for sure.  But I have his card and will call him.</p>
<p>This is a salesperson.  I will also try their corporate offices to get a written policy.  It makes sense if big department stores have policies to protect them from suits.   It&#8217;s also good, for me, that Macy&#8217;s has a bed for every budget.  I am not going to call Swedish custom-made bed purveyors or any other companies that cater to the very wealthy.  It&#8217;s distressing that bedbugs have made me jealous and resentful.  I don&#8217;t want to be this way!  I long to be free&#8230;</p>
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