Comments on: Village Voice: “Bed bugs and Beyond” http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/ bed bug news, information, activism, and support Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: 14.5% of Cincinnati residents surveyed have had bed bugs?!? : Got bed bugs? Bedbugger.com http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-14194 14.5% of Cincinnati residents surveyed have had bed bugs?!? : Got bed bugs? Bedbugger.com Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:40:35 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-14194 [...] known for a long time anecdotally that the official numbers probably do not account for the majority of NYC bed bug [...] [...] known for a long time anecdotally that the official numbers probably do not account for the majority of NYC bed bug [...]

]]> By: How bad are bed bugs in Toronto? We’re not sure. http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-8074 How bad are bed bugs in Toronto? We’re not sure. Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:56:41 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-8074 [...] calls and 1190 actual bed bug cases reported to 311 in twelve months (summer 2005-summer 2006), one well-known PCO claimed to be getting 85 actual bed bug calls a day (and presumably another 15 false alarms).  [...] [...] calls and 1190 actual bed bug cases reported to 311 in twelve months (summer 2005-summer 2006), one well-known PCO claimed to be getting 85 actual bed bug calls a day (and presumably another 15 false alarms).  [...]

]]> By: New Yorkers: an “I called 311 to report bed bugs” story | bedbugger http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-5636 New Yorkers: an “I called 311 to report bed bugs” story | bedbugger Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:01:35 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-5636 [...] As I’ve said many times before, we know the number of infestations must be much larger, since just after the time frame in which those 311 stats were added up, local PCO Pest Away claimed to be getting 100 calls a day, of which 85% were legit bed bug cases, in a Village Voice article last year. [...] [...] As I’ve said many times before, we know the number of infestations must be much larger, since just after the time frame in which those 311 stats were added up, local PCO Pest Away claimed to be getting 100 calls a day, of which 85% were legit bed bug cases, in a Village Voice article last year. [...]

]]> By: Bugalina http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-442 Bugalina Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:52:10 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-442 Sean It is being used...The World Health Organization lifted the ban in October...and thousands of lives are being saved in South Africa and Uganda and other nations that are using it. And as an added bonus they are seeing a decrease in bed bug populations. Suspend and Demand are neuro toxins..and they don't do the job. If we could use DDT to eradicate them now and the strains would not immediately be resistant then we should use it now..while developing other effective products. But lets get rid of them now....I spoke with a Mr. Harold Stein. He is the president Of Crane Pest Control in San Francisco. He testified at the EPA hearings in the 70's to prevent the banning of DDT. He told me, back in August of 2006 that DDT was the best pesticide his company ever had. He told me that he always had success in eradicating any bbs with DDT...one time $18.00. This is from the "horse's mouth"...he used it , he saw what it did. So when people tell me/us that bed bugs are resistant to DDT..who are we to believe...Mr. Stein who used it successfully up until the 1970's ? Of some younger lab scientists who have no field experience to go on.. They hear the letters DDT and react just from that..not from experience. ....I put my money on Mr. Stein...Deb Sean It is being used…The World Health Organization lifted the ban in October…and thousands of lives are being saved in South Africa and Uganda and other nations that are using it. And as an added bonus they are seeing a decrease in bed bug populations. Suspend and Demand are neuro toxins..and they don’t do the job. If we could use DDT to eradicate them now and the strains would not immediately be resistant then we should use it now..while developing other effective products. But lets get rid of them now….I spoke with a Mr. Harold Stein. He is the president Of Crane Pest Control in San Francisco. He testified at the EPA hearings in the 70’s to prevent the banning of DDT. He told me, back in August of 2006 that DDT was the best pesticide his company ever had. He told me that he always had success in eradicating any bbs with DDT…one time $18.00. This is from the “horse’s mouth”…he used it , he saw what it did. So when people tell me/us that bed bugs are resistant to DDT..who are we to believe…Mr. Stein who used it successfully up until the 1970’s ? Of some younger lab scientists who have no field experience to go on.. They hear the letters DDT and react just from that..not from experience. ….I put my money on Mr. Stein…Deb

]]> By: Sean http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-443 Sean Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:07:10 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-443 DDT - A touchy topic. To clear things up, bed bugs showed resistance to DDT before it was banned. Bringing it back is not going to be a miracle cure. Pests of all sorts develop resistance to pesticides that are used too frequently or incorrectly (offering sub-lethal doses). DDT was one of them. Likely the strains today would not be immediately resistant to DDT but the propensity for development is there. We have plenty of active ingredients that bed bugs are not resistant or immune to. The problem is that we do not have enough people thoroughly trained in bed bug erradication. Nor do we have many companies that are willing to spend the time it takes to do the job right. DDT was used VERY irresponsibly. If it were brought back it would be treated with MUCH more respect. Some photos of the misuses of DDT. We were ignorant: http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/Malaria/figures/figure47.jpg http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/EPWs/Fig41p398.jpg http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/Malaria/figures/figure18.jpg DDT will likely not surface in North America again but in areas riddled with malaria I do believe we will see it used. Sean Entomologist / Pest Professional www.thebedbugresource.com DDT - A touchy topic.

To clear things up, bed bugs showed resistance to DDT before it was banned. Bringing it back is not going to be a miracle cure.

Pests of all sorts develop resistance to pesticides that are used too frequently or incorrectly (offering sub-lethal doses). DDT was one of them.

Likely the strains today would not be immediately resistant to DDT but the propensity for development is there.

We have plenty of active ingredients that bed bugs are not resistant or immune to. The problem is that we do not have enough people thoroughly trained in bed bug erradication. Nor do we have many companies that are willing to spend the time it takes to do the job right.

DDT was used VERY irresponsibly. If it were brought back it would be treated with MUCH more respect.

Some photos of the misuses of DDT. We were ignorant:

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/Malaria/figures/figure47.jpg

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/EPWs/Fig41p398.jpg

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/Malaria/figures/figure18.jpg

DDT will likely not surface in North America again but in areas riddled with malaria I do believe we will see it used.

Sean
Entomologist / Pest Professional
http://www.thebedbugresource.com

]]> By: Bugalina http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-444 Bugalina Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:40:48 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-444 Truth be told, the banning of DDT did result in the death of millions of people. This is a hard pill to swallow for the "egos" of the scientific communities. Bayer Science, the makers of Suspend and Drione, fought against the lifting of the DDT ban. Their products, as we all know, require multiple spraying for bed bugs, and are not a guarantee to work 100 percent. They are also harmful if misused. They don't want DDT because it is much cheaper and requires fewer applications. Follow the money trail. The talk is that bed bugs are resistant to DDT...well how come DDT is now being used so effectively against the malaria mosquitos !!! The naysayers want to scare us with their talks of resistance and super bugs...I don't believe them, if they are so intelligent how come they can't come up with a product to kill off a bed bug infestation! It was the misuse of DDT that was dangerous..not the use...It is not a perfect world, everything is a trade off.... Truth be told, the banning of DDT did result in the death of millions of people. This is a hard pill to swallow for the “egos” of the scientific communities. Bayer Science, the makers of Suspend and Drione, fought against the lifting of the DDT ban. Their products, as we all know, require multiple spraying for bed bugs, and are not a guarantee to work 100 percent. They are also harmful if misused. They don’t want DDT because it is much cheaper and requires fewer applications. Follow the money trail. The talk is that bed bugs are resistant to DDT…well how come DDT is now being used so effectively against the malaria mosquitos !!! The naysayers want to scare us with their talks of resistance and super bugs…I don’t believe them, if they are so intelligent how come they can’t come up with a product to kill off a bed bug infestation! It was the misuse of DDT that was dangerous..not the use…It is not a perfect world, everything is a trade off….

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-445 nobugsonme Wed, 20 Dec 2006 15:21:25 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-445 Wow, John, that's pretty extreme! I have not hate for Rachel Carson. I don't think we can blame one person for all the others who followed her advice. I do think we (as in citizens of countries who banned DDT and pressured other countries not to use it) to re-examine this. I do think that "we" IS responisble, not a dead environmentalist. Wow, John, that’s pretty extreme! I have not hate for Rachel Carson. I don’t think we can blame one person for all the others who followed her advice. I do think we (as in citizens of countries who banned DDT and pressured other countries not to use it) to re-examine this. I do think that “we” IS responisble, not a dead environmentalist.

]]> By: John C. Randolph http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-446 John C. Randolph Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:04:53 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-446 Let's place the blame were it belongs: with the junk science and sensationalism of Rachel Carson's book "silent spring". She got DDT banned on a wave of hysteria, and besides the bedbugs coming back to a continent where we had eradicated them, she got a few million people killed by malaria in the meantime, thanks to the mosquitos she saved. I wish I believed in hell, because I want her to be rotting in it. -jcr Let’s place the blame were it belongs: with the junk science and sensationalism of Rachel Carson’s book “silent spring”. She got DDT banned on a wave of hysteria, and besides the bedbugs coming back to a continent where we had eradicated them, she got a few million people killed by malaria in the meantime, thanks to the mosquitos she saved.

I wish I believed in hell, because I want her to be rotting in it.

-jcr

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-456 nobugsonme Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:56:03 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-456 Parakeets, you should win googling awards. You amaze me! Parakeets, you should win googling awards. You amaze me!

]]> By: parakeets http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-457 parakeets Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:41:19 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/12/13/village-voice-bed-bugs-and-beyond/#comment-457 Mara Altman is a dumpster diver? According to this site http://dumpsterdiving.meetup.com/cities/us/ny/brooklyn/2100575/?ic=sn42 someone with her name is a Brooklyn dumpster diver. Well, guess what? The chances of a <strong>Brooklyn</strong> dumpster diver getting bedbugs are high, high, high. <em>What goes around, comes around.</em> I am positive the tables will turn and the Mara Altmans of this world won't be laughing at what they think is bedbug paranoia anymore. Instead they will be going to the "Paul's" and "Diane's," begging for help. Mara Altman is a dumpster diver? According to this site
http://dumpsterdiving.meetup.com/cities/us/ny/brooklyn/2100575/?ic=sn42
someone with her name is a Brooklyn dumpster diver.

Well, guess what? The chances of a Brooklyn dumpster diver getting bedbugs are high, high, high. What goes around, comes around. I am positive the tables will turn and the Mara Altmans of this world won’t be laughing at what they think is bedbug paranoia anymore. Instead they will be going to the “Paul’s” and “Diane’s,” begging for help.

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