Comments on: The bed bug droppings hit the fan http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/ bed bug news, information, activism, and support Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:34:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-8235 nobugsonme Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:32:36 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-8235 Nightvision, I responded to your other queries here: http://bedbugger.com/get-advice/#comment-8232 If you have other questions, please post them on the <a href="http://bedbugger.com/forum" rel="nofollow">forums</a>. That's the appropriate place for them, unless they are related to the posts you're commenting on. Nightvision, I responded to your other queries here:
http://bedbugger.com/get-advice/#comment-8232

If you have other questions, please post them on the forums. That’s the appropriate place for them, unless they are related to the posts you’re commenting on.

]]> By: nightvison007 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-8233 nightvison007 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:03 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-8233 it will it be hard for my wife and my self to sue the owner of the apt. we are on a month to month payment because Hawii is expencives to live. we live in a hostle can we win if we get a lawyer and fight the owners of this place. Because they had knowledge of the bedbug problems. can some one please give me the correct answer to my problems it will it be hard for my wife and my self to sue the owner of the apt. we are on a month to month payment because Hawii is expencives to live. we live in a hostle can we win if we get a lawyer and fight the owners of this place. Because they had knowledge of the bedbug problems. can some one please give me the correct answer to my problems

]]> By: FAQ: Where can I read about bed bug lawsuits? Can you help me find a lawyer? | bedbugger http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-2115 FAQ: Where can I read about bed bug lawsuits? Can you help me find a lawyer? | bedbugger Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:48:01 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-2115 [...] Rudolph’s case: press is here. [...] […] Rudolph’s case: press is here. […]

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-180 nobugsonme Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:59:24 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-180 BL--I am going to move your question to the "Tales of Bed Bug Woe" thread, so someone will more likely see it than on this discussion. BL–I am going to move your question to the “Tales of Bed Bug Woe” thread, so someone will more likely see it than on this discussion.

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-182 nobugsonme Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:48:28 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-182 Yes, Twodogs. Landlords in NY are responsible for treating infested apartments. We have links here to Met Council and also to other NYC and NY legal sites (look at our "tenant's" FAQ in the Frequently Asked Questions. Buggylicious and Twodogs, the article above is about Maya Rudolph's case, where a landlord knowingly renting an apartment that was infested. I think in such a case the landlord is responsible if the problem was known to the landlord, and this would be easily discovered (did previous tenants write a letter of complaint? Did a PCO come and treat the unit?) We know that treatments take time, and many landlords, even if they do treat, will treat just once. I will say it is difficult for a landlord to know if a unit is initially infested, or once treated, if it is still infested, if a tenant does not tell them so. And with an unoccupied unit, it would be even harder to know. It's interesting that in this case, a week or so after the story broke, the unit was back on the market, with the rent notched up another $1000 or so. I think for a case like this to win, the plaintiff would need proof the landlord did not treat the apartment thoroughly or that they rented it knowing it was infested (which could be shown if they rented it right after people moved out and complained, for example). On the other hand, I don't think most people with infestations have a case--since most of us can't prove our landlords knew they rented us infested units. I am against frivolous lawsuits, but there are some situations where the landlord or hotel is truly witholding information or being negligent, and if such cases are tried and won, it will help the rest of us in the long run. Yes, Twodogs. Landlords in NY are responsible for treating infested apartments. We have links here to Met Council and also to other NYC and NY legal sites (look at our “tenant’s” FAQ in the Frequently Asked Questions.

Buggylicious and Twodogs, the article above is about Maya Rudolph’s case, where a landlord knowingly renting an apartment that was infested. I think in such a case the landlord is responsible if the problem was known to the landlord, and this would be easily discovered (did previous tenants write a letter of complaint? Did a PCO come and treat the unit?) We know that treatments take time, and many landlords, even if they do treat, will treat just once.

I will say it is difficult for a landlord to know if a unit is initially infested, or once treated, if it is still infested, if a tenant does not tell them so. And with an unoccupied unit, it would be even harder to know. It’s interesting that in this case, a week or so after the story broke, the unit was back on the market, with the rent notched up another $1000 or so. I think for a case like this to win, the plaintiff would need proof the landlord did not treat the apartment thoroughly or that they rented it knowing it was infested (which could be shown if they rented it right after people moved out and complained, for example).

On the other hand, I don’t think most people with infestations have a case–since most of us can’t prove our landlords knew they rented us infested units. I am against frivolous lawsuits, but there are some situations where the landlord or hotel is truly witholding information or being negligent, and if such cases are tried and won, it will help the rest of us in the long run.

]]> By: twodogsathome http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-181 twodogsathome Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:46:51 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-181 I found this link on this very newsletter, and it had the info from NYState regarding a landlord's responsibility. It was within the Met Council link on the left side. I found this link on this very newsletter, and it had the info from NYState regarding a landlord’s responsibility. It was within the Met Council link on the left side.

]]> By: Buggylicious http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-183 Buggylicious Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:28:27 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-183 I'd like to comment, and also to ask a question. My comment is on lawsuits: although one can find fault with a hotel, it is difficult to find fault with a landlord, in my opinion. It is not the landlord's fault, that bed bugs arrive in the home. But the land lord should definitely help the tenants. As they would with mice or roaches, by paying for the exterminator. The tenants must then follow all the steps on their own to control the problem, ie, washing and bagging etc.... now, if the bugs come back....because the tenants don't do things perfectly, who is responsible then? that wsn'tmy question. But I do want to know.. These lawsuits will definitely attract attention though and change things (hopefully for the better) but in the meantime, any one of us can be sued. I can have a friend or neighbor claim they got bed bugs from my apartment and sue me, personally. That would be a horrible ordeal. See what I mean? That wasn't my question either. My question is kind of dumb but I always wanted to know the answer. HERE IT IS: When you put mineral oil around the bed legs, do you find the dead bugs floating like dead bugs do in the oil? BL I’d like to comment, and also to ask a question. My comment is on lawsuits: although one can find fault with a hotel, it is difficult to find fault with a landlord, in my opinion. It is not the landlord’s fault, that bed bugs arrive in the home. But the land lord should definitely help the tenants. As they would with mice or roaches, by paying for the exterminator. The tenants must then follow all the steps on their own to control the problem, ie, washing and bagging etc…. now, if the bugs come back….because the tenants don’t do things perfectly, who is responsible then? that wsn’tmy question. But I do want to know.. These lawsuits will definitely attract attention though and change things (hopefully for the better) but in the meantime, any one of us can be sued. I can have a friend or neighbor claim they got bed bugs from my apartment and sue me, personally. That would be a horrible ordeal. See what I mean? That wasn’t my question either. My question is kind of dumb but I always wanted to know the answer.
HERE IT IS: When you put mineral oil around the bed legs, do you find the dead bugs floating like dead bugs do in the oil? BL

]]> By: Thomas http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-177 Thomas Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:00:14 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-177 Very interesting. I feel the solution is for Landlords and prospective tenants to learn as much as possible about bed bugs, how to spot them there lifecycle etc as prevention is definitly better than a cure. Due to a previous problem in a Hostel i stayed in I have started a site on general information on bedbugs, see the URL below, to try and prevent these infestations and please mail me if you need any more help, Thomas <strong>EDITOR'S NOTE: Thomas, your website is apparently a collection of RSS feeds from other sites including mine, and almost all the content on the main page has NOTHING to do with bed bugs. This is a splog (splog = blog plus spam, google it) and I am deleting the links from your comments to the site.</strong><em> Very interesting. I feel the solution is for Landlords and prospective tenants to learn as much as possible about bed bugs, how to spot them there lifecycle etc as prevention is definitly better than a cure. Due to a previous problem in a Hostel i stayed in I have started a site on general information on bedbugs, see the URL below, to try and prevent these infestations and please mail me if you need any more help,
Thomas

EDITOR’S NOTE: Thomas, your website is apparently a collection of RSS feeds from other sites including mine, and almost all the content on the main page has NOTHING to do with bed bugs. This is a splog (splog = blog plus spam, google it) and I am deleting the links from your comments to the site.

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-179 nobugsonme Sun, 05 Nov 2006 02:12:28 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-179 Yes-- Deb makrs a good point. I hope Maya Rudolph finds the Bedbugger blog. (Maybe she or her press folks google her name now and again.) If you're listening, Maya, do some preventive work--maybe even get a good pest control guy to come in and do a bit of work in your new home. Otherwise, in a few weeks or months, it might start up again. We can't usually flee the bed bugs. We need to kill them. Funny, I am a pacifist and a former vegan (long story there). Needless to say, I have never spent so much time batting around war metaphors and talking about "killing those #*&%^#@%$^s" as I have since I started getting bitten. Chalk it up to Post-bedbug Personality Disorder, I guess. Not a health concern? Phooey! Yes– Deb makrs a good point. I hope Maya Rudolph finds the Bedbugger blog. (Maybe she or her press folks google her name now and again.) If you’re listening, Maya, do some preventive work–maybe even get a good pest control guy to come in and do a bit of work in your new home. Otherwise, in a few weeks or months, it might start up again. We can’t usually flee the bed bugs. We need to kill them.

Funny, I am a pacifist and a former vegan (long story there).

Needless to say, I have never spent so much time batting around war metaphors and talking about “killing those #*&%^#@%$^s” as I have since I started getting bitten.

Chalk it up to Post-bedbug Personality Disorder, I guess. Not a health concern? Phooey!

]]> By: deblynn http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-178 deblynn Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:46:07 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/2006/11/03/the-bed-bug-droppings-hit-the-fan/#comment-178 Bedbugs are going to create "unsolvable" issues as regards Landlords/tenants...It should be criminal to rent an apt. in a bldg. that has active infestations - esp. an apt. that has an active infestation...So the landlord is responsible..but then a tenant can move in and bring them..How does one prove this ?? The landlord can target the tenant..and the tenant can target the landlord..However If we leave the responsibility of extermination up to the tenant..this will create chaos...Ultimately, the landlord owns the property and the buck must stop there...Real Estate owners should be demanding better, more effective extermination methods. I would like to pose the question to the young actress who fled from the infested SOHO loft..."What did you flee with?" Because these monster bugs can be in your pocketbook, shoes..whatever..so..if you fled..you may have brought them with you...I certainly hope not..but..this is why they whole bedbug scenario is a nightmare...they are a communicable bug...people spread them...unintentionally..but..the fact remains..people spread them...Thus we must look to someone to help make people aware...and stop the spread...as much as possible..Deb Bedbugs are going to create “unsolvable” issues as regards Landlords/tenants…It should be criminal to rent an apt. in a bldg. that has active infestations - esp. an apt. that has an active infestation…So the landlord is responsible..but then a tenant can move in and bring them..How does one prove this ?? The landlord can target the tenant..and the tenant can target the landlord..However If we leave the responsibility of extermination up to the tenant..this will create chaos…Ultimately, the landlord owns the property and the buck must stop there…Real Estate owners should be demanding better, more effective extermination methods. I would like to pose the question to the young actress who fled from the infested SOHO loft…”What did you flee with?” Because these monster bugs can be in your pocketbook, shoes..whatever..so..if you fled..you may have brought them with you…I certainly hope not..but..this is why they whole bedbug scenario is a nightmare…they are a communicable bug…people spread them…unintentionally..but..the fact remains..people spread them…Thus we must look to someone to help make people aware…and stop the spread…as much as possible..Deb

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